DDickey Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingsoc Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 The whole motion was illegal, the people assemblies had no power to remove a magistrate that they elected. I think that Octavius understand that any veto would disregard by the assembly. Plutarchus hint this in the speech of Gracchus: "A tribune, he said, was sacred and inviolable, because he was consecrated to the people and was a champion of the people. "If, then," said Tiberius, "he should change about, wrong the people, maim its power, and rob it of the privilege of voting, he has by his own acts deprived himself of his honourable office by not fulfilling the conditions on which he received it; 3 for otherwise there would be no interference with a tribune even though he should try to demolish the Capitol or set fire to the naval arsenal. If a tribune does these things, he is a bad tribune; but if he annuls the power of the people, he is no tribune at all." (Life of Tiberius Gracchus, 15.2) As you could see by Gracchus view Octavius has lost the tribunical authority and protection by vetoing his agrarian law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar CXXXVII Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 The issue here is the state of mind of the assembly . Octavius knew that his life were in danger - "... but the menacing attitude of the peasantry who had flocked in to back Gracchus may explaine why Octavius did not dare to veto the motion for his own deposition" (Studies in Ancient Society By Moses I. Finley) . Simple as that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDickey Posted November 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 (edited) I Edited November 9, 2008 by DDickey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 (edited) Salve, Amici I Edited December 1, 2008 by ASCLEPIADES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDickey Posted November 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Continuing my research, I found this interesting paragraph in Plutarch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingsoc Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 To my mind, this would seem to indicate that Octavius had either re-entered the cursus honorum or had attempted to re-enter it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDickey Posted November 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 To my mind, this would seem to indicate that Octavius had either re-entered the cursus honorum or had attempted to re-enter it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) I have no idea why M. Octavius interests me as much as he does. It Edited November 11, 2008 by ASCLEPIADES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDickey Posted November 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 I have no idea why M. Octavius interests me as much as he does. It Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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