Faustus Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 Amsterdam The Perils of Free Speech (What goes around, comes around.) "On a sunny May morning, six plainclothes police officers, two uniformed policemen and a trio of functionaries from the state prosecutor's office closed in on a small apartment in Amsterdam. Their quarry: a skinny Dutch cartoonist with a rude sense of humor. Informed that he was suspected of sketching offensive drawings of Muslims and other minorities, the Dutchman surrendered without a struggle. "I never expected the Spanish Inquisition," recalls the cartoonist, who goes by the nom de plume Gregorius Nekschot, quoting the British comedy team Monty Python. A fan of ribald gags, he's a caustic foe of religion, particularly Islam. The Quran, crucifixion, sexual organs and goats are among his favorite motifs. Mr. Nekschot, whose cartoons had appeared mainly on his own Web site, spent the night in a jail cell. Police grabbed his computer, a hard drive and sketch pads. He's been summoned for further questioning later this month by prosecutors. He hasn't been charged with a crime, but the prosecutor's office says he's been under investigation for three years on suspicion that he violated a Dutch law that forbids discrimination on the basis of race, religion or sexual orientation. The cartoon affair has come as a shock to a country that sees itself as a bastion of tolerance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Remind me to stay out of Holland. What a sick joke. Let's not say anything critical about Islam because they might riot, and it would ruin our image of tolerance? Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 Amsterdam The Perils of Free Speech (What goes around, comes around.) Salve, Amici. Sorry... ... I couldn't resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Remind me to stay out of Holland. The US it's the only country still upholding the free speech. In all Europe and Canada broad definitions of hate speech make even true allegations to be open to persecution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted July 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Remind me to stay out of Holland. The US it's the only country still upholding the free speech. In all Europe and Canada broad definitions of hate speech make even true allegations to be open to persecution. You are right, I think, and we are very protective of that. Sham tests are thrown up, especially to protect "pornographic speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephele Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 There is great ease in the foul use of terms as they relate to Christianity, but Islam is left conveniently alone; no one is afraid to insult Christians, which has become a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Thankfully, our government isn't likely to arrest Trey Parker and Matt Stone for their humor. Hail Xenu! -- Nephele But a cartoon still can sparkle rage and debate http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/15/america/15humor.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Thankfully, our government isn't likely to arrest Trey Parker and Matt Stone for their humor. Hail Xenu! -- Nephele But a cartoon still can sparkle rage and debate http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/15/america/15humor.php That cartoon was put up by Ob's own side to innoculate the candidate, so your interpretation seems to be "right" on. They likely took their cue from Ob, when he said in a public appearance that the Mc's side would point out that he "looks Muslim, and by the way...."he's black". If the other side doesn't act as they are expected to act in a timely fashion, don't lose hope, it can be imputed. Faustus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephele Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Thankfully, our government isn't likely to arrest Trey Parker and Matt Stone for their humor. Hail Xenu! -- Nephele But a cartoon still can sparkle rage and debate http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/15/america/15humor.php That cartoon was put up by Ob's own side to innoculate the candidate, so your interpretation seems to be "right" on. They likely took their cue from Ob, when he said in a public appearance that the Mc's side would point out that he "looks Muslim, and by the way...."he's black". If the other side doesn't act as they are expected to act in a timely fashion, don't lose hope, it can be imputed. Faustus Indeed, Faustus. Quoted from the article: The cover was drawn by Barry Blitt, who also contributes illustrations to The New York Times's Op-Ed page. David Remnick, the editor of The New Yorker, said in an e-mail message, "The cover takes a lot of distortions, lies, and misconceptions about the Obamas and puts a mirror up to them to show them for what they are. "It's a lot like the spirit of what Stephen Colbert does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted July 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 The problem with some folks for whom such illustrations "can sparkle rage and debate", is that they don't get the joke -- or the point. -- Nephele Exactly right Nephele. And in part, that's what the cartoonist relied on. Every cartoon will be seen in at least two different ways. Faustus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLavius Valerius Constantinus Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 As a Republican, I find the Obama picture hilarious. Ironically, that cover is making fun of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I think this Obama cartoon it's a very clever political move on his side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I think this Obama cartoon it's a very clever political move on his side. We agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLavius Valerius Constantinus Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Problem is that the average American won't see the satire. Believe it or not, a notable percentage of Americans believe he is a Muslim(and it's not just the Republicans ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephele Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Problem is that the average American won't see the satire. Believe it or not, a notable percentage of Americans believe he is a Muslim(and it's not just the Republicans ). It's not just "the average American" who often fails to grasp satire. Regardless of where you live, think of one person you know whom you would describe as being "of average intelligence." Then realize that 50% of everyone else is dumber than that. -- Nephele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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