Primus Pilus Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Amazon Indians from one of the world's last uncontacted tribes have been photographed from the air, with striking images released on Thursday showing them painted bright red and brandishing bows and arrows. The photographs of the tribe near the border between Brazil and Peru are rare evidence that such groups exist. A Brazilian official involved in the expedition said many of them are in increasing danger from illegal logging... The Story The Photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) Amazon Indians from one of the world's last uncontacted tribes have been photographed from the air [ . . . ] A Brazilian official involved in the expedition said many of them are in increasing danger from illegal logging...The Photos (>gallery) Interesting: Note the linear alignment of their huts, rather than being clustered, with the old growth trees surrounding them, and with a large patch of understory new growth (palms?) in the foreground (best seen in pictures 3, 5, and 7) and off to the right hand side. They have benefit of two forest environments it appears, modified by them for their own benefit or accidentally by their living circumstances. Assuming these are no doubt Stone Age peoples, and settled not nomadic, they must have stone axes, and other wood fashioning tools with which to accomplish all this. It would be interesting to see it all from their eyes, rather than our own. A cordon sanitaire should be invoked by the UN. It appears these people have made a choice on their own that in effect accomplishes that, but something formal should be put in place. (once individually selected, a right click and then "set as background" renders full screen) EDIT: the numbers of the gallery photos do not appear to remain constant. Faustus Edited May 30, 2008 by Faustus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Another interesting item: Notice the archers in one picture (gallery mode) seem to be "leading" (well in front of) the aircraft, and not aiming directly at it. This, rather than appearing to be a threat, seems to show intent to actualy hit the target. Faustus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochus III Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 One of the only "true unconcacted tribes lives on an island near india. the ones in brazil are mostly contacted because they have seen loggers. the one on that island has never truly been contacted. They shoot arrows at passing aircraft and marine vehicles. Antiochus III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Salve, Amici "Everyone has the right to a nationality. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality." Article 15, Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948). Sorry, but nowadays "uncontacted" (or "isolated") peoples (or even worse, "tribes") concept is just an euphemism for "grossly neglected and potentially abused high risk populations in Third world countries"; it's total denial of the social contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 How can they be neglected or abused without contact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 How can they be neglected or abused without contact? Salve, K Neglected = by definition; as there's no unclaimed square inch of land out of Antartica, all of them are uncared citizens of any number of 21 century countries living under paleolitic conditions and epidemiology (ie, 3 out of any 4 children dying before puberty). abused = potentially, as their putative countries (and international organizations) don't protect them from any number and variety of aggressors, from pollution to slavery. Don't fool yourselves; there's no place on Earth out of range for modern "adventurers" or Indiana Jones wannabes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 While they are on soil that belongs to a modern state they don't know that and consider themselves a political entity that maybe does not want to be taken care of. Given the record of some of this states in annihilating tribesmen neglect has a positive meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Porcius Cato Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 I'm not sure that neglect is so beneficent. If 'uncontacted' Tribe A goes on a killing raid of 'contacted' Tribe B, is it really moral for the state to decline to intervene? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klingan Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Too bad they had to be disturbed by a helicopter. (At least I suppose that is what the aircraft was) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Too bad they had to be disturbed by a helicopter. (At least I suppose that is what the aircraft was) It seems they are well aware of what these intrusions by their modern counterparts would mean to them, and take actions to thwart or discourage that contact. They do it by taking accurate aim with their bows and arrows for instance, suggesting more than just an idle threat; in effect saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Porcius Cato Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Since this is an isolated group, they probably have no other groups they have to be concerned about going to war with, thus they have a paradise without war That's a leap--just because they are isolated from us, doesn't mean they don't have contact (including violent contact) with surrounding tribes. I'm guessing the war paint isn't to impress the toucans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) Salve, Amici. While they are on soil that belongs to a modern state they don't know that and consider themselves a political entity that maybe does not want to be taken care of. Were that the case (for the sake of the argument), you Edited June 17, 2008 by ASCLEPIADES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) Since this is an isolated group, they probably have no other groups they have to be concerned about going to war with, thus they have a paradise without war That's a leap--just because they are isolated from us, doesn't mean they don't have contact (including violent contact) with surrounding tribes. I'm guessing the war paint isn't to impress the toucans. Salve MPC We don't know for sure. For me it Edited June 17, 2008 by Faustus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustus Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Salve, Amici.Since this is an isolated group, they probably have no other groups they have to be concerned about going to war with, thus they have a paradise without war Hmmm... sorry to disappoint you, but Rousseau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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