Octavia Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Hello everyone. I read that Cleopatra and Antony had three children and one was a girl called Cleopatra Selene. Doe sanyone kno0w mucha bout her? Also, what happened to the other children of Cleopatra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docoflove1974 Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 I believe that they were all killed, so as to ensure that there would be no heirs to cause trouble later on. As for 3 kids...I thought she had 3 kids with Julius Caesar, not Marcus Antonius? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavia Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 From what I read, she had a son by Julius Caesar, called Caesarion and then three other children by Marcus Antonius. I think I remember reading somewhere that Octavian had Caesarion killed, but I don't exactly know the future of the other three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Salve! Nope, Cleopatra VII Thea Philopator had four known children, one of them with Julius Caesar (Ptolemy XV Caesar aka Caesarion) and three with Mark Antony, a couple of twins ( Alexander Helios "Sun" and Cleopatra Selene "Moon") and Ptolemy Philadelphus. Only Cesarion was killed by Octavius ("One Caesar is enough"). Here is the account of their fate by Cassius Dio(Book 51): "5 Such were these two (Antony and Cleopatra) and such was their end. Of their children, Antyllus was slain immediately, though he was betrothed to the daughter of Caesar and had taken refuge in his father's shrine, which Cleopatra had built; and Caesarion while fleeing to Ethiopia was overtaken on the road and murdered. Cleopatra (Selene) was married to Juba (II of Numidia), the son of Juba; for to this man who had been brought up in Italy and had been with him on campaigns, Caesar gave both the maid and the kingdom of his fathers, and as a favour to them spared the lives of Alexander and Ptolemy. " And here is it by Plutarch (Life of Antony) "87 Antony left seven children by his three wives, of whom Antyllus, the eldest, was the only one who was put to death by Caesar; the rest were taken up by Octavia and reared with her own children. Cleopatra, the daughter of Cleopatra, Octavia gave in marriage to Juba, the most accomplished of kings". Juba and Cleopatra returned to Numidia but were forced to leave it and move to Mauretania, which flourished under their rule. Their children were Cleopatra (possible), Ptolemy and Drusilla This Ptolemy was the last king of Mauritania and had very bad luck with his cousin, the emperor Gaius (Caligula). Here, Suetonius (Life of Caligula): "35 ... After inviting Ptolemy... to come from his kingdom and receiving him with honour, he suddenly had him executed for no other reason than that when giving a gladiatorial show, he noticed that Ptolemy on entering the theatre attracted general attention by the splendour of his purple cloak." The famous queen Zenobia of Palmyra (III Century AD) was supposedly descendant from Ptolemy of Mauritania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavia Posted July 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Thanks for that useful info. That really helps out a lot. I was curious as to what happened to the three children by Antony and Cleopatra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Thanks for that useful info. That really helps out a lot. I was curious as to what happened to the three children by Antony and Cleopatra. Non est, quod gratias agas, CO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavia Gemina Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 (edited) Curiously this is what I've been working on the past few months. In my forthcoming novel, The Beggar of Volubilis, my four kid detectives travel by caravan from Sabratha to Volubilis, which was one of the capital cities of Mauretania Tingitana, ruled by Juba II and Cleopatra Selene, (the daughter of Cleo and Anthony). My gang are travelling with a troupe of pantomime actors, one of whom may or may not be Cleopatra Selene's grand-daughter. If you saw the final episodes of HBO's Rome, you saw the little twins Selene and Helios arrive to be fostered by Octavia, sister of Augustus, (the screenwriters ignored their third child). Octavia was a good mother to them, and also to Anthony's children by his previous marriages! What is fascinating to me is that one of Octavia's two daughters by Anthony became Nero's great-grandmother. You can see a family tree I drew HERE. Actually I've just updated it and need to put up my latest version. Enjoy! Flavia Edited July 25, 2007 by Flavia Gemina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingsoc Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 What is fascinating to me is that one of Octavia's two daughters by Anthony became Nero's great-grandmother. Octavia was also the great-grandmother of Caligula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Salve, guys and Ladies! As you were saying: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephele Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Salve, guys and Ladies! As you were saying: What a great chart! Asclepiades, can you link to an enlarged image of this? -- Nephele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavia Posted July 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Very interesting story, Flavia. I've never seen the hbo's rome. Is there any way I can see the last episode of that? Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 What a great chart! Asclepiades, can you link to an enlarged image of this? -- Nephele Salve, Lady N! Glad you like it. Sorry, the original pic is of the same length. I think it would be easier if you first download this chart and then you enlarge it; that worked perfectly for me. Let me know if you have any problem with this procedure. Cheers and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flavia Gemina Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Very interesting story, Flavia. I've never seen the hbo's rome. Is there any way I can see the last episode of that? Very interesting. Check TV guide listings for a repeat, Claudia. It only finished in the UK last week. Failing that, HBO's Rome will be out on DVD soon. But I wouldn't look for much veracity. The program-makers show the twins aged about 5 when they arrive in Rome. In fact, they were 10 when their parents died. They were paraded in Octavian's triumph in Rome, I believe. Flavia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavia Posted July 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Thanks Flavia. I don't think I have hbo, but the series sounds interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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