Global Warming

[Northern Neil]

I'm beginning to think there may be something in this climate change after all. Four months ago it was very cold indeed, whereas now its actually quite warm.

[Klingan]

The fact that the climate is changing is rather undisputed, the question is why? Nature forces, global warming or carbondioxid?

[Kosmo]

After a warm winter with no ice and many days over 15 C, now it is a very hot spring, actually summer like. Since the begining of may the temperature at noon was usually beetwen 25-32 C. That is amazing for our climate. This years looks like a record for high temperature and draught.

[Pantagathus]

I think Neil is on to something...

[caldrail]

For a while now I've watched an advert on global warming. Its a frightening prospect. All those greenhouse gases polluting our atmosphere and raising temperatures that render our world a very inhospitable place. You need only log on to www.climatechallenge.gov.uk to join the effort to save our planet.

 

Except for one small point...

 

IT'S RUBBISH!

 

Sorry, but it is. The advert is blatant propaganda designed to pander to our current fad for enviromental concern and recruit well meaning citizens to the government cause by frightening their poor little socks off.

 

So why is this advert propaganda? The current popular belief is that greenhouse gases are causing global warming. False. Global warming is powered by the sun. As the sun becomes more active, so our temeratures rise. The action of sunlight on the worlds oceans creates far more CO2 than we do. True. Pollution from volcanoes is currently the worst offender. True. Cosmic rays are responsible for the extent of cloud formation, not CO2. True. We also blame industry for the rise in geenhouse gases yet during the period from 1940 to 1975 when industry increased in leaps and bounds - the mean world temperature dropped. Its ironic therefore that greenhouse gases are caused by global warming. True. Serious climatologists have uncovered a time lag between mean temperatures and the amount of greenhouse gases resulting from it amounting to around 800 years.

 

But what about the ice caps? Surely we have to stop the sea level from rising? Well it would be a neat trick but changes in sea level are nothing new. It happens all the time and always will. One of the reasons for the saxon incursions into england was rising sea levels that inundated their coastal settlements. The current perception also ignores the fact the dry land rises and falls too. Britain is rising out of the sea (slowly) after the collossal weight of ice from 10,000 years ago has now gone. London is sinking because the land mass we call Britain is slowly tipping over. The northwest is rising, the southeast falling. Why? Because tectonic movement is pushing Britain aside as it opens the Atlantic wider. Something similar is true of the Mediterranean. We know that the Meditteranean coast is rising and falling as it buckles under the strain of the African plate as it moves northward. The Alps are the result of it, and the sea is shrinking. Thats what powers volcanoes such as Etna, Vesuvius, and the reason why the island of Santorini blew up in distant antiquity.

 

The fact is global warming is a natural event. The Medieval Warm Period was warmer than today. Where they beset with droughts and disastrous weather and flooding? No. In fact they benefitted from bumper harvests. Wine was produced in the now chilly north of england. When you consider the 800 year time lag between temperature and greenhouse gases we are in fact now receiving the 'tax bill' for the Medieval Warm Period. If you go further back, there are long periods in earths history where the world is significantly warmer than our predictions of doom. Only once in earths past, the late Permian period, was the temperature so high as to seriously affect life on earth. For those that don't know, that was before the dinosaurs. We're at the mercy of a ball of hydrogen undergoing a nuclear reaction 93,000,000 miles away.

 

So what the heck is going on? Basically the study of climate has been hijacked by those people with agendas. Remember all those campaigners who tried to stop the deployment of nuclear weapons? The ones who played cat and mouse with whale hunters? Now their holy grail is global warming. The failure of governments around the world is that they now adopt the same attitude for popularity. These days if you mention global warming doors open. Point out that its all nonsense and you're a pariah. Its become a mantra of our time, and its based on misconceptions.

 

One of these misconceptions is that we can predict what will happen. Although the current trend is for warmer temperatures, it might swing the other way with a vengeance if our ocean currents change too far. The computer models designed to make these predictions are based on the premis that global warming is down to greenhouse gases, and we already know thats incorrect. But because the global warming industry is in full swing no-one wants to hear that the statistics are based on mistakes. They only want to hear the answers that suit their purpose.

 

So what can we do about global warming? Unfortunately, the answer is almost nothing. Really. We are literally helpless in the face of nature. But then nature has always insisted that survival of the fittest is the prime directive of life. Species survive because they adapt to changes. Species that become specialised can do well, like us, but ultimately their enviroment will change faster than their ability to change with it. Our attempts to be greener are laudable but it won't stop climate change. Like King Canute, we stand there trying to order back the tide.

[Klingan]

Bless that last post! I'm so tired of the carbondioxid-we-will-kill-us-all theory.

[Rameses the Great]

For a while now I've watched an advert on global warming. Its a frightening prospect. All those greenhouse gases polluting our atmosphere and raising temperatures that render our world a very inhospitable place. You need only log on to www.climatechallenge.gov.uk to join the effort to save our planet.

 

Except for one small point...

 

IT'S RUBBISH!

 

Sorry, but it is. The advert is blatant propaganda designed to pander to our current fad for enviromental concern and recruit well meaning citizens to the government cause by frightening their poor little socks off.

 

So why is this advert propaganda? The current popular belief is that greenhouse gases are causing global warming. False. Global warming is powered by the sun. As the sun becomes more active, so our temeratures rise. The action of sunlight on the worlds oceans creates far more CO2 than we do. True. Pollution from volcanoes is currently the worst offender. True. Cosmic rays are responsible for the extent of cloud formation, not CO2. True. We also blame industry for the rise in geenhouse gases yet during the period from 1940 to 1975 when industry increased in leaps and bounds - the mean world temperature dropped. Its ironic therefore that greenhouse gases are caused by global warming. True. Serious climatologists have uncovered a time lag between mean temperatures and the amount of greenhouse gases resulting from it amounting to around 800 years.

 

But what about the ice caps? Surely we have to stop the sea level from rising? Well it would be a neat trick but changes in sea level are nothing new. It happens all the time and always will. One of the reasons for the saxon incursions into england was rising sea levels that inundated their coastal settlements. The current perception also ignores the fact the dry land rises and falls too. Britain is rising out of the sea (slowly) after the collossal weight of ice from 10,000 years ago has now gone. London is sinking because the land mass we call Britain is slowly tipping over. The northwest is rising, the southeast falling. Why? Because tectonic movement is pushing Britain aside as it opens the Atlantic wider. Something similar is true of the Mediterranean. We know that the Meditteranean coast is rising and falling as it buckles under the strain of the African plate as it moves northward. The Alps are the result of it, and the sea is shrinking. Thats what powers volcanoes such as Etna, Vesuvius, and the reason why the island of Santorini blew up in distant antiquity.

 

The fact is global warming is a natural event. The Medieval Warm Period was warmer than today. Where they beset with droughts and disastrous weather and flooding? No. In fact they benefitted from bumper harvests. Wine was produced in the now chilly north of england. When you consider the 800 year time lag between temperature and greenhouse gases we are in fact now receiving the 'tax bill' for the Medieval Warm Period. If you go further back, there are long periods in earths history where the world is significantly warmer than our predictions of doom. Only once in earths past, the late Permian period, was the temperature so high as to seriously affect life on earth. For those that don't know, that was before the dinosaurs. We're at the mercy of a ball of hydrogen undergoing a nuclear reaction 93,000,000 miles away.

 

So what the heck is going on? Basically the study of climate has been hijacked by those people with agendas. Remember all those campaigners who tried to stop the deployment of nuclear weapons? The ones who played cat and mouse with whale hunters? Now their holy grail is global warming. The failure of governments around the world is that they now adopt the same attitude for popularity. These days if you mention global warming doors open. Point out that its all nonsense and you're a pariah. Its become a mantra of our time, and its based on misconceptions.

 

One of these misconceptions is that we can predict what will happen. Although the current trend is for warmer temperatures, it might swing the other way with a vengeance if our ocean currents change too far. The computer models designed to make these predictions are based on the premis that global warming is down to greenhouse gases, and we already know thats incorrect. But because the global warming industry is in full swing no-one wants to hear that the statistics are based on mistakes. They only want to hear the answers that suit their purpose.

 

So what can we do about global warming? Unfortunately, the answer is almost nothing. Really. We are literally helpless in the face of nature. But then nature has always insisted that survival of the fittest is the prime directive of life. Species survive because they adapt to changes. Species that become specialised can do well, like us, but ultimately their enviroment will change faster than their ability to change with it. Our attempts to be greener are laudable but it won't stop climate change. Like King Canute, we stand there trying to order back the tide.

 

I wholeheartedly agree. It's just made with people who have an agenda and nothing better to do in an attempt to change our lifestyle. I'm worried about the environment and the rate we are destroying it but to say that global warming will kill us all is just stupidity. Shifts in the temperature of the Earth is nothing new it's a natural process. No matter what we do the Earth will warm and cool according to its time.

 

They're just like the guys who come up with daylights savings time, they have nothing better to do so they enforce it upon the people.

[FLavius Valerius Constantinus]

Caldrail...I think that is one of the most beautiful rebuke to the global warming hype that I see in American society. Seriously, I have to defend and explain to other stupid people of my youth that they are too liberal and misinformed in their views. They keep saying humans are the main cause and I keep telling them that the ocean produces 97 percent of what is in the atmosphere compared to the human output, meanwhile, the sun has increased activity that warms the world even more.

 

Oh by the way, more than 200 scientists and professionals on global warming completely disagree with the jocks who believe the hype.

 

Sheesh, We can make it change they say...au revoir

Edited May 18, 2007 by FLavius Valerius Constantinus

[Northern Neil]

I'm beginning to think there may be something in this climate change after all. Four months ago it was very cold indeed, whereas now its actually quite warm.

[Nephele]

I'm beginning to think there may be something in this climate change after all. Four months ago it was very cold indeed, whereas now its actually quite warm.

 

It

[Moonlapse]

I think that enough anthropogenic CO2 production could have an effect. That's just common sense. Though, I'm far from convinced that we know exactly how much of an effect it has in the broad and complex scope. It seems the reasoning is circular since we are still discovering important aspects of climate, and opposing theories have as much or more valid evidence and reasonings. All I know is that we certainly are not sure enough about it to start creating authoritarian laws and monopolized carbon markets which regular people like you and I will necessarily end up paying out for, to the benefit of those in control of it.

[caldrail]

Its undeniable that we've been adding to CO2 levels, but the underlying evidence is that CO2 is not reponsible for global warming. Its a by-product. The tropopause, a hot layer of air very high in the atmosphere, isn't changing temperature despite all the greenhouse gases supposedly fillig it up. The CO2 cycle of this planet is well established and varies from period to period. Its a curiosity that sunlight on the oceans produces bucketloads of the stuff eight hundred yeras later in some interaction that may even reach the sea floor, yet that same CO2 is re-absorbed by the oceans after time.

 

My own feeling is that we're still leaving the last ice age whose frozen blankets faded away ten thousand years ago (and arguably, still fading). Here in britain we may well be returning to the 'african' climate we enjoyed between ice growths. Seriously - african animal fossils have been found in england dating from that era. But then the earth wobbles on its axis and another ice age can happen very quickly indeed. The end of the last ice age was for that same reason. The mean temperature rose seven degrees in fifteen years. Ouch!

[Ursus]

We're having one of coolest Springs on record. I'm getting ready for a new Ice Age. Give me a club and a bear skin outfit - I'm moving into the nearest cave.

[Northern Neil]

For a while now I've watched an advert on global warming. Its a frightening prospect. All those greenhouse gases polluting our atmosphere and raising temperatures that render our world a very inhospitable place. You need only log on to www.climatechallenge.gov.uk to join the effort to save our planet.

 

Except for one small point...

 

IT'S RUBBISH!

 

ITS TRUE!!!!! I'm telling you, at the start of the time period initially mentioned, the Lake District mountains near where I live had a light covering of snow. Now there isn't any at all, and my outdoor thermometer suggests that the average daytime temperature has risen by nearly eight degrees.

[Pertinax]

We're having one of coolest Springs on record. I'm getting ready for a new Ice Age. Give me a club and a bear skin outfit - I'm moving into the nearest cave.

Great, what sort of club were you thinking of forming? Cavewomen are hot.