Elphis Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hello. SEG VIII I have long wondered about this segment of the map and specifically the use of Timiseo twice in Dacia. I see on most modern maps [mostly from Romania] there is only one Tibiscum listed with the two routes coming together. On older maps [19th century] there is a Tibicus and a Tibiscum. This is very confusing. Were there one or two or what is going on there? Related to this I also wonder about the distance between Azizis and Caput Bubala. III? Isn't that strange? Should it read XII? Thank you. Elp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Dalby Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hello. SEG VIII I have long wondered about this segment of the map and specifically the use of Timiseo twice in Dacia. I see on most modern maps [mostly from Romania] there is only one Tibiscum listed with the two routes coming together. On older maps [19th century] there is a Tibicus and a Tibiscum. This is very confusing. Were there one or two or what is going on there? Related to this I also wonder about the distance between Azizis and Caput Bubala. III? Isn't that strange? Should it read XII? Thank you. Elp I read it as 'Tiuisco' (i.e. 'to Tiviscum'). Agreed, it occurs twice. In view of the way the Peutinger table is designed, I don't find that too surprising -- in fact, I believe I have seen the same thing happen elsewhere on the map, but I can't remember where, so I can't prove it! Since everything works in horizontal lines, there has to be a lot of stretching-to-fit. In this case, maybe, the designer failed to notice at the right moment that the Viminacum-Tiviscum road had to be stretched to meet up with the other one -- hence they don't meet, and 'Tiuisco' appears twice. Or, of course, we have to think of what the designer himself knew. He hadn't travelled the whole Empire himself, so maybe he never realised that these two places were in fact one place. The 19th century idea that you mention -- that there really is another place not far off with the same name -- is also possible, since Tibiscus is the name of the river too, so 'Tiuisco' might also mean 'to the Tibiscus river'. My guess (not knowing the archaeology, but looking at the Tabula Imperii Romani sheet L 34) is that the 19th century idea was abandoned because the road from Viminacum to Tibiscum has now been traced on the ground, proving that it really does meet the other road at the place called Tibiscum. As for the distance, yes, I think there are quite a few copying errors of this kind. It's easy for a scribe to make such mistakes. It might be XII, or XIII, or whatever -- and it depends where you think Aizizis is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elphis Posted January 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Thank you Andrew, spelling that correctly helps me in a whole host of ways! I have been bothered by this because I came across this page http://216.109.132.28/cornesti_vinga.html and it all seems like crap but the castra link sort of seemed like it looked plausible because I think I can see what they see and it might be worthy of the designation on the Tabula. It is a strange world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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