Pantagathus Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I have merged Emperor Nick's 'USA' thread with this one for more than obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLavius Valerius Constantinus Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Briefly (and hopefully ironically) the USA is a concealed monarchy (President) pretending to be a republic/democracy. It is expansionist, the most dynamic and militaristic power in its world. It has had and retains an overseas empire (which once included the Phillipines, Cuba etc and still includes Puerto Rico and Havana. Power largely depends on wealth, it has faction rather than party politics, is deeply corrupt. It has a Senate which sits in a classical-style building. It has the same sort of relationship with Britain as Rome had with Greece - condescending but slightly envious. A young, thrusting nation, aware of what it owes to an older, mature more deeply cultural mother-land, from which it derives many of its forms of Government, language, life-style and tradition. The "barbarians" are coming in to destroy westernism - directly from Mexico, and through legal and illegal immigration in its European sphere of influence. Oh and it's currently ruled by a man widely perceived as insane. (Oh for a Suetonius!!) Now if THAT doesn't get this thread boiling, nothing will!! Phil (PS please don't take what I have said (too) seriously - I am a great USAphile. ) Oh Phil25...your posts really does define you and your Europeanism...LOL Now phil...what would happen if traveled a state called Texas and said that to a group of Christian evangelists...just imagine the consequences. Though America right now is very divided...but we still don't tolerate such blunt accusations. By the way... I don't support Amnesty because there sure as hell are tens of thousands of foreign immigrants trying the go the 'legal' way into the country, and sure costs a lot of money for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 "which once included the Phillipines, Cuba etc and still includes Puerto Rico and Havana." I knew that El Lidero Maximo it'a US spy! Under that beard anybody could hide, even the US Marines! You can not compare the majesty of the expansionistic roman empire with the pitifull US one. The emperor ruled the known world while the president just Fox News. And the power of the European Union looks more like Byzantium in his worse days. Buying peace from barbarians and setteling them inside the walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantagathus Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 While the US, sadly, has been there since 1898. This is the perfect example of how the 'facts' of history get distorted and reinterpreted over time... Look, the taking of Cuba and the Philippines in the Spanish-American War were by-products of a war fought because the Americans were protecting their overseas interests against a real imperial power: the Spanish, who controlled the aforementioned places at the outset of the war. The US kicked the real Imperial power OUT and when the natives got sparky when the US lingered around while the places got on their own feet, they endeavored to oblige the natives. The big mistake was annexing the place in the process. The post conflict turmoil from the Spanish American War created such a bad taste in American's mouths that the US Congress passed legislation to the effect that the US would never seek imperial dominion over foreign people. The general sentiment over the annexation of the Philippines was summed up by William James, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rameses the Great Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 It's as Colin Mockery said to the Hindu man, 'We don't need the Swiss to come in here and tell us how to run our country.' Althought I AM CANADIAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantagathus Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Althought I AM CANADIAN. I thought you were a Copt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rameses the Great Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I thought you were a Copt? Copt by roots Canadian by branches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I thought you were a Copt? Copt by roots Canadian by branches. ? Que? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rameses the Great Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 I'm a Copt born in Toronto who now lives in Pittsburgh. Sorry for getting completely off topic in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlapse Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I'd say the U.S. is more hegemon than empire. I think that the traditional expanding empire became obsolete with nuclear technology and the cold war. The Roman Empire has more in common with the scores of other past empires than with the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiceroD Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 Briefly (and hopefully ironically) the USA is a concealed monarchy (President) pretending to be a republic/democracy. It is expansionist, the most dynamic and militaristic power in its world. It has had and retains an overseas empire (which once included the Phillipines, Cuba etc and still includes Puerto Rico and Havana. (PS please don't take what I have said (too) seriously - I am a great USAphile. ) HAHA, Ive heard Bush called King George II But for some reason I really dont worry. For example No Roman Emperor would ever let himself be called a "Stupid monkey-man" in public. as I routinely do to Bush. As long as we see our politicians put comedically in place, I think we'll be fine. In two years he'll be sent packing, build a dumb presidential library that no one cares about, and be replaced with another (but hopefully not as big a) moron. "The soul of a republic is that no man is larger than the state"- My high school civics teacher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pertinax Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 I'm a Copt born in Toronto who now lives in Pittsburgh. Sorry for getting completely off topic in this thread. Its a fair copt. ps: this might need translating from British to N American vernacular "It's a fair cop. (British & Australian, very informal) something that you say in order to admit that someone has caught you doing something wrong. It's a fair cop. I was driving way too fast". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Augusta Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 I'm a Copt born in Toronto who now lives in Pittsburgh. Sorry for getting completely off topic in this thread. I'm always willing to show my ignorance, Ram. Please can you enlighten me: What exactly is a Copt? It's not a word I know. It's as Colin Mockery said to the Hindu man, 'We don't need the Swiss to come in here and tell us how to run our country.' Althought I AM CANADIAN. This reminds me of that charming quote by Mahatma Ghandi. When asked by an interviewer what he thought of Western civilisation, he replied: 'I think it would be a good idea'. We have gone off topic, haven't we. Still - it's nearly Saturnalia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germanicus Posted December 14, 2006 Report Share Posted December 14, 2006 What exactly is a Copt?] Coptic, Egyptian Christians. Their language is the closest modern equivalent to Ancient Egyptian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiceroD Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 The Romans certainly believed that the might of Rome would never fall. Yet many Americans believe the same thing. I personally hope that the inevitable decline of The U.S. is less end of Roman Empire and more the end of the British empire. (I know Its like comparing apples and oranges) How do you guys think its gonna end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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