Viggen Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Kennewick Man was laid to rest alongside a river more than 9,000 years ago, buried by other people, a leading forensic scientist said Thursday. The skeleton, one of the oldest and most complete ever found in North America, has been under close analysis since courts sided with researchers in a legal battle with Indian tribes in the Northwest who wanted the remains found near the Columbia River reburied without study. full article at Yahoo News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 There is a side to the story most people don't know. A Heathen (Germanic polytheist) group in North America claimed the skeleton was of Eurasian stock. They further claimed this was proof that Caucasians had visited North America long before Columbus (or even Lief Erikson). They wanted to give the skeleton a Heathen religious burial. They tried to sue the government to perform DNA tests on the skeleton to prove exactly where it came from, and to bury it according to Germanic polytheist rites if indeed it originated in Northern Europe. The Native Americans, meanwhile, claimed the skeleton as one of their own and wanted to claim burial rights to it. They accused the Heathen group of having a racialist agenda (which may be exaggerated, but the Heathen group in particular does seem to have some kind of ethnic conscious). The Heathen group in turn claimed the Native Americans were playing the politically correct, "evil white male" card. The government, meanwhile, was astonished to find itself in a battle between angry Native Americans and a religious group they had never heard of before. They tried to stall and find a compromise ... The Heathen group, being rather small and underfunded, bowed out of the contest first. The Native Americans, who had more clout and money, remained. Apparently though the government has pushed them out as well. I just hope they eventually rebury the poor pile of bones, wherever it came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sextus Roscius Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 (edited) Rebury it! For heavens sake no! The kennewick man is a very important peice of science. We can't bury it. Imagine all the knowledge we might learn from it. These stupid religious groups are only holding up scientific progress, and the Indians are just annoying losers who can't accept that "they got beat". Honestly, this is just annoying. Edited February 27, 2006 by Sextus Roscius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 If I have sympathy for the whining of any precious socio-identity group, it would be the Native Americans. Of course, I am biased, as some of my own ancestors were among them. And while organized religion is not without its many faults and vices (and crimes), I think completely dismissing the sensitivities arising there from is a bit bigoted. Really, "scientific progress" has become about as amorphous a battle cry as "the will of God." It means different things to different people and can be used by sophists to justify a lot of rotten things. I think if it were my pile of bones, after I had been duly poked and prodded by the eggheads, I'd like to be given a decent burial. I would offer no less to the poor prehistoric slob they have interred in whatever cooler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sextus Roscius Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 If I have sympathy for the whining of any precious socio-identity group, it would be the Native Americans. Of course, I am biased, as some of my own ancestors were among them. And while organized religion is not without its many faults and vices (and crimes), I think completely dismissing the sensitivities arising there from is a bit bigoted. Really, "scientific progress" has become about as amorphous a battle cry as "the will of God." It means different things to different people and can be used by sophists to justify a lot of rotten things. I think if it were my pile of bones, after I had been duly poked and prodded by the eggheads, I'd like to be given a decent burial. I would offer no less to the poor prehistoric slob they have interred in whatever cooler. Honestly Ursus, this is being ridiculous, surely you can agree that by studying the kennewick man we can learn very much about earth's history. He could be a european, who knows. We could learn something from him that could completely remap history as we know it. Who knows! Though maybe after we've done everything possible (testing all the possiblilities) we'll have him buried, but honestly... Also, I'm very muched biased too I suppose, I'm an atheist and have little sympathy for people's rituals who to me are pointless.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docoflove1974 Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I think if it were my pile of bones, after I had been duly poked and prodded by the eggheads, I'd like to be given a decent burial. I would offer no less to the poor prehistoric slob they have interred in whatever cooler. One more reason why I want to be cremated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germanicus Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 You might learn something new, but you might not. Much as you hope for some earth shattering new knowledge from it Sextus, you're unlikely to get it. Every new find is the find of the century to someone. Also, I'm very muched biased too I suppose, I'm an atheist and have little sympathy for people's rituals who to me are pointless.... Whether you have sympathy or not I reckon refers to your humanity, your atheism is irrelevant. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sextus Roscius Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 (edited) You might learn something new, but you might not. Much as you hope for some earth shattering new knowledge from it Sextus, you're unlikely to get it. But Germanicus, why take the chance.... theres so much that might be a possibility. Are we going to say "well it will probely be nothing" What type of attitude is that. Honestly, we never would invented anything or discovered anything with that attitude. Edited March 1, 2006 by Sextus Roscius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLavius Valerius Constantinus Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 (edited) It's kind of hard to believe that scientists still haven't found out much about "this time period." Well after watching a discovery channel documentary, it was made obvious to me that it was the Europeans(maybe from Iberia) who've reached America first by thousands of years before the Bering Straight land mass appeared. They were possibly pushed offcourse by Atlantic storms,which back then were by larger and fiercer today, when they were hunting after the seals. I don't wanna offend the tribes...but the Kennewick man obviously has no clear connection with the Indian tribes which Sextus was kinda implying...so really...it's the government's job now to rule and they rule in favor of the scientists. Edited March 1, 2006 by FLavius Valerius Constantinus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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