Roman Warrior Code

[Onasander]

You need to read the book Kishido.

Infact, I recommend that this military forum be split into two; one for military history under a roman name, and another dedicated to the roman varient of Kishido, preserving the Japanese name.

 

Kishido, the Western Way of the Warrior, deals highly with Codes, morality, the Art of War, and the philosophies and other knowledge needed historically by the western warrior by focusing on the great ancient practices and historical master texts. It was devoloped shortly after WW2 in England by a Japanese monk who was charged with teaching college students, many of whom were to later lead in imperial leadership positions, martial arts. Relizing the impossibilities of teaching philosophically responsible combatives by simultaniously teaching the physical aspects of combat along side of strange Eastern philosophies, religion, morality, and ideology, he instead took the great mastertexts of the ancient western world from the Greek and Roman times as well as later Frankish and medieval and taught on a variety of interrelated topics, Creeds, Morality, AoW, ancient legal codes, medicine, philosophy. etc. in the hopes the sons of the British Empire would be more receptive to this knowledge, given they've heard and studied the very same texts since childhood.

 

It deeply bothers me that I must talk about issues of Kishido in the same forum as Roman History (don't get me wrong, I love History). I just think the two should remain seperate. It's the same to me as putting Religion and Politics, though mabey in some way related, in the same forum.

[Primus Pilus]

It deeply bothers me that I must talk about issues of Kishido in the same forum as Roman History (don't get me wrong, I love History). I just think the two should remain seperate. It's the same to me as putting Religion and Politics, though mabey in some way related, in the same forum.

 

Considering that the entire site is dedicated to the discussion of Roman history, I'm afraid you'll just have to make due with our inadequacies.

[Ursus]

I don't know what the deal is, Onasander, but as time goes on your posts become increasingly dramatic and left field. How about laying off whatever it is you're on? Thanks.

[Favonius Cornelius]

And anyway, it was created after WWII, so how does it relate at all to this discussion?

[Onasander]

Created after world war 2, but like so many later analysis and terminologies to describe the past, just as valid. I feel it's time that the west should start letting down it's guard and allow eastern analysis of western history in, Kishido is definately in my opinion on the cutting edge.

 

A book on the repair of volkswagons is not the same as a general history of volkswagons, now is it? When discussing a range of technical questions that relates to the manuals or mechanical arts, you wouldn't go jumping head first into the history books, now would you. You know the two topics are seperate, as the writtings of Vegetius or Onasander are of a different character than that of Livy. In the west, what term do we have to explain the differences between the writtings of histories.... which are still highly valued to me, and the works aimed at the castes and professions of the soldier, or politician, or doctor, philosopher to discriminate the master texts and thier rich traditions, some of which still flourish to this day. Kishido exposed that the west parralles the east in this, something many I know do not believe.

 

 

 

As to some of my comments being left field, I wouldn't have to play it so much if the rest of the team would break it's huddle in the right. I can be as conservative as the next guy, but I'm not afraid to put out the odd idea like mabey the romans had forts north or hadrians wall or the Etruscan and Palagian idea.... do I actually believe these things.... no, just something I thought up oneday and threw out to see if anyone else thought of it, or ever wondered. Am I going to put my whole repetation on the line someday saying these questions of mine are true.... heck no. But with Kishido, I might just keep on putting it out till it catches on in the west... it's adding nothing new to the western traditions but the name.

[Primus Pilus]

We, of course, can define history in any matter we wish, but applying modern concepts to a human condition that was considerably different is likely to be met with resistance, regardless of the origin of the idea. Applying personal philosophy to history is certainly nothing new, however. Each of us do it in our own way, every day.

 

Help me out with something though...

 

In the west, what term do we have to explain the differences between the writtings of histories.... which are still highly valued to me, and the works aimed at the castes and professions of the soldier, or politician, or doctor, philosopher..

 

So are you suggesting that we apply the term 'Kishido' to explain the difference between the general histories of Livy, Tacitus, Dio Cassius, etc., and such non historical documentation as Galen, Frontinus, Pliny the Elder, etc.? I apologize for not quite catching on here, but I (and certainly many others) was already aware of the differences in scope, target and concept of these authors and their works without needing an eastern term applied to it.

[Favonius Cornelius]

I must still admit complete ignorence to what your point is with this Kishido stuff Osander. If you are so confident in its relevance, then I imagine you should be able to concisely describe to us how it relates to telling us what the Roman warrior code was. Frankly all I am hearing from you so far is a bunch of sophistic eastern gobbledigook. Perhaps that is the foolish westerner in me, but I figure most things in life should be able to be explained in a few sentinces.

 

I'm not going to have to light incense to understand this am I? The stuff makes me sneeze... (just kiddin)

Edited November 13, 2005 by Favonius Cornelius