Christianity and the Fall of Rome

[Titus001]

Well the propaganda is that the roman civilization fell at 450AD or something like that but thats all kind of funny let me explain,constantine moved the capital of rome to constantinople b/c the city of rome and that region was getting more poor as the years past,so how could the roman civilization fall at 450AD or what ever year it was when the city of rome was no longer the capital of its civilization?so in reality rome was reborn and it fell at 1453AD.

[FLavius Valerius Constantinus]

Well the propaganda is that the roman civilization fell at 450AD or something like that but thats all kind of funny let me explain,constantine moved the capital of rome to constantinople b/c the city of rome and that region was getting more poor as the years past,so how could the roman civilization fall at 450AD or what ever year it was when the city of rome was no longer the capital of its civilization?so in reality rome was reborn and it fell at 1453AD.

 

Unforunately, you must put the blame for this grave error on Western European politics along with some lazy historian who was too lazy and jealous to call the Eastern half the true Roman empire. But no, what we got was offensive terms to the Romioi such as the never-existed-in-history Greek Empire and Byzantine Empire.

[Titus001]

well said

[Northern Neil]

People often think the Roman Empire and Classical Culture were one and the same; they were not. Rome adopted classical culture from the Greeks about 300BC and, by degrees, had largely dispensed with it by 450. The loss of the Western provinces did occur about the same time as the end of the classical world, but the Roman state of course carried on until 1453.

[votadini]

Although the Eastern Roman Emperor existed until 1453, did the 'Roman state' exist till then or were simply vestiges hung onto in the hope of legitimizing rival regimes?

[TaylorS]

I don't think Christianity had anything to do with causing the decline of Rome; it was a symptom of decline, not the cause. What A. J. Toynbee called "Universal Churches" tend to emerge in dying civilizations, the result of social forces operating over broad spans of time. Blaming Roman decline on Christianity goes right up there with "Decadence" in the category of "ideologically-motivated explanations."