Onasander Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 http://www.spyghana.com/has-atlantis-truly-existed-on-the-moroccan-coast/ Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldrail Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Drivel. Atlantis was a fictional version of the thera explosion (Santorini) that destroyed the Minoan EMpire, used by Plato as a morality tale. There was never a land mass out there in the Atlantic - Plato conceived it there because no-one could tell him it wasn't there, since the sea was unknown back then, rather like Edgar Rice Burroughs inventing a south american plateau where dinosaurs lived - in an area then unexplored. Same litaray device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onasander Posted March 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I doubt it pure drivel, but many of the people who pursue it are. The med sea was well known to Egyptians, who took mercenaries regularly into their employment west of Italy, and phonecians were already active. We had island civilizations too in what is now Greece, as well as troy that exploited the sea lane trade. Its very, very hard to explain Troy if we take your premise as fact, that the ancient world before the Greek dark ages didn't explore. Furthermore, there are some late (albeit to my understanding, no expert) Spanish and north African cities that collapsed in either the 8th or Ninth century BC, which holds a strong possibility for hosting an Atlantis site discovered not that long ago. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42072469/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/lost-city-atlantis-believed-found-spain/ I feel this is logically the best candidate, as it appears to really match the records. I recall someone saying it also matched cities from the old testament (not referenced to the Atlantis myth obviously). Again, only recently discovered.... But it could explain why the Romans and Carthage kept coming across walled cities in Spain, and the origin of the gladius. Not an Iberian expert in the least. What matters here however, is that.... Its a damn useful myth for archeologists and historians to keep looking. Every time they are out looking for a ancient site called Atlantis, they are intentionally looking, for an ancient site, and have a much better chance of success of finding something, anything in these absurd spots, than people not looking at all. This increases our archeological data in the short term. Yes, you gotta put up with guys claiming obviously naturally hillsides at Pyramids, or some round circular site in the desert is Atlantis, or a cattle enclosure in South Africa is Stone Henge, but hey.... these wacky personalities give guys like you something to write about and dispute, and both you and they will age and die, but archeologists and historians will be aware of such sires, as its now in their radar. A lot of these naturally forming pyrimids have archeological sites built on them.... like in Indonesia. Very legit work, same for the fake Bosnian pyrimid, had legit medieval sites on it. Lastly, we learned a great lesson from completely disregarding nay-sayers like you in the pursuit of finding ancient biblical sites. Had we taken a more atheistic standpoint, we would have a horribly deficient understanding of the history of mesopotamia, as no one would of dug out there, or worst, blamed any artifacts found as fajes implanted by Christian fundamentalists to distract the public from the truth. It is very valid to look at historical texts, and search out cities mentioned in them. We have a very good track record in finding them. Some obvious exceptions, El Dorado, Atlantis, Ottawa, Shang Ra LA, but these searches found alit if other things, and are still pursued to this day with more and more discovery. Its a useful myth, and as a myth is far more tangible and real than a nay-sayer attitude that has been proven so very wrong countless times when cities have been discovered, like Troy. In fact, this absurd, A Priori skepticism might underline a cognitive disorder, as it sure the heck isn't based on science or methodology other than a bahumbug attitude. I say keep looking. Just don't dig if your not a archeologist. Apparently the Honduras explorers recently found at least, a few statues. This is good. No one would of found them otherwise. http://p1cdn02.thewrap.com/images/2015/03/bill-benenson-ancient-civilization.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyseabrook Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Drivel. Atlantis was a fictional version of the thera explosion (Santorini) that destroyed the Minoan EMpire, used by Plato as a morality tale. There was never a land mass out there in the Atlantic - Plato conceived it there because no-one could tell him it wasn't there, since the sea was unknown back then, rather like Edgar Rice Burroughs inventing a south american plateau where dinosaurs lived - in an area then unexplored. Same litaray device. To say it's drivel and that Plato was being inventive, as if it were a matter of fact, is really not being any more helpful than categroically saying it was definitely at a given location and that he was writing from direct experience. Thera as a source for his imagination or even as a location for his experience or knowledge have been voiced but no answer as yet has anything except cicumstantial evidence. "There was never a land mass out there in the Atlantic" - says who? because we have no evidence for something doesnt mean it wasn't manifest. You could of course be right, but so many archeological locations have been categorically attributed to legend legend prior to the answers coming to light. Troy jumps to mind. As for the place, for argument sake lets say it did exist, I am not sure that that even had he definitely meant it being "out there in the Atalantic" it would neccessarily mirror our current vision of what "being out there in the Atlantic" means. Perhaps Plato knew it to be beyond The Pillars of Hercules but in that he failed to be precise, why not inland from the present coast-line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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