If WW2 Japanese are honored as brave are make Muslim terrorists brave

[Pisces Axxxxx]

 

 

I notice a very bizare tendency for Westerners to praise the Japanese military of WW2. I still remember how kids and even-mind you HISTORY TEACHERS with DEGREES-to praise the Japanese soldiers in WW2 for refusing to surrender and preferring to commit suicide. In their view, its the MOST OUTSTANDING act of bravery to believe surrendering is cowardly and instead to fight to the death. 

Even those who are familiar with the warcrimes of the Japanese still praise them for their discipline and insane reckless courage. 

So I am fascinated. The Japanese military of WW2 did some of the most horrific crimes in modern warfare. In fact despite all the criticism on the Germans for being so evil, Japanese soldiers on average did more terrible things. Hell they even RAPED Japanese women and massacred Japanese civilians during the final days of the war for the hell of it! 

 

But yet Muslim terrorists have the same mentality. They believe fighting to the death is glorious and most would rather commit suicide than surrender. There are cases of terrorists doing epic last stands and taking out lots of American soldiers in minor firefights. 

But these Muslims get nothing but contempt even fro historians. From a ratio basis the typical Muslim terrorist probably killed much less people in their life time than the typical Imperial Jpaanese soldiers so going by acts they commit less than the Japanese (even though its comparable in vileness).

Update : The reason these Muslim terrorists get bashed as ABSOLUTE EVIL is because they target civilians. But wait didn't the Japanese army gunned down civilians for fun? Even formally capturing civilians and creating official games where Japanese soldiers get awarded for beheading the most number of PoWs in a contest?

Update 2: So many of these guys even call Muslim terrorists COWARDS because their leaders like Bin Laden refused to commit sucide-ignoring the fact some leaders of the Imperial Japanese army ran away and tried to avoid punishment. Some such as Masami Kitaoka even pledged allegiance to Americans after the war and helped them. We're talking about guys who experimented on children who didn't follow the Bushido Code out of fear of death and giving up worldly pleasures.

Update 3: In fact even when Japanese warcrimes are known by belligerents discussing history, they always still end up praising the Japanese soldiers immense professionalism and discipline in the battlefield. I seen experts in Westpoint praise Japanese soldiers for their performance in say the Battle of Singaphore.

Update 4: Yet even Muslim terrorist groups show superb discipline comparable to armies of Western superpower such as the Mujahideen of Afghanistan, military historians don't even at least praise their fanatical discipline. I mean some of the Mujahideen that fought the Americans have shown such precision in timing their ambushes that only a profesionally trained army can perform. Even if they are the BAD GUYS can't we at least give credit due since the Imperial Japanese Army always get praised?

Update 5: Yet in a twist of irony in wars before 9/11 I have read of statements by American military and Wetern historians PRAISING the PERFORMANCE of Muslim terrorists. For example Horne frequently states the FLN of Algeria have shown such superb patience in fighting their war against the French. When the Soviets were in Afghanistan, American SF commented on how its good the Mujahideen were our allies because they provided such SUPERB fighting abilities against the Soviet forces.

[caldrail]

Pisces - you seem to get very obsessed with linking behavioural and racial or religious stereotypes. The world is not as simple as you'd like it to be. The world is far more prone to fashion and subjectivity than you'd like it to be. The world is, frankly, just as hypocritical as it always was. However, in the light of muslim terrorist activity starting to praise them for their performance wopuld seem a very strange attitude. Wow guys, great bombing... You see?

 

Regarding the japanese, whom you mention on a regular basis, the only reason it hasn't been forgotten is because the Japanese won't admit to it. That's the problem isn't it? Some issues get settled or and put away in the box, others are glaring reasons for retaliation, according to the needs of the moment. As much as it might seem an injustice to you (or anyone who suffered an injustice in the past), the world moves on.

 

The Mujahideen did receive praise (and american assistance) because it was the Cold War era and Russia invaded Afghanistan for pretty much the same reasons they did previously. Now the same people are the Taliban and Al Qaeda who wage war on America, and like all terrorist organisations, have migrated from simple revolutionary or resistance movements into organised criminal gangs to pay for their activity, in this case by selling raw material for drugs (which the poverty stricken people of Afghanistan do anyway because its the only source of income they have and thus is socially acceptable to them). Thus the balance has shifted. Also, since the war has seen some dramatic American losses, conducted against their civilians on home turf by hijacking airliners full of passengers and callously crashing them into conveniebnt targets, the Americans feel aggrieved - for which you could hardly blame them - and thus care somewhat less than they perhaps ought to when a drone hits a private house in a far away country instead of the terrorist target it was supposed to be aimed at, givemn how difficult it is to target terrorists who hide among their own people as a matter of policy. You can argue the rights and wrongs until you're blue in the face - your outrage isn;t going  to change anything.

[Pisces Axxxxx]

You totally missed the point of my thread Caldrail. What I am trying to tackle here is the double standards. So many young guys today and even high school history teachers think of the Imperial Japanese Army as a bunch of badass mofos because they refused to surrender and fought to the death or even committed suicide.

 

Muslim terrorists have shown similar "valour" in recent years. From the Battle of EZ Street in which one terrorists kept on firing bullets as Americans raided his building instead of surrendering and took out a few American soldiers with him to the superb coordination of existing extremist tribes in Talbian in executing such well timed attacks that take out humvees (that only a disciplined unit could execute). But not a single praise goes to any of these terrorists' bravery.

 

If Muslim terrorists are attacked for bombing civilians, why do so many people today (especially young American guys) respect the Japanese army simply because they committed suicide or charged into machine guns rather than surrendering? The typical Japanese soldier from the time period probably raped and killed far more person in his life time than Osama Bin Laden did directly! Shouldn't Japanese soldiers be attacked as cowardly using this logic?

 

Furthermore, this is my BIGGEST GRIPE. When the Mujahideen were brutally bombing Soviet supply lines, American SF officers were sending out praises. In fact no on in Washington objected to how the Taliban tortured captured Soviet PoWs and if anything the white house was in joy when they heard Soviets abandoned territory-the same territory in which Taliban and such groups would MUTILATE Afghanis who lived in the area when the Soviets occupied it. These Afghanis DID NOT SUPPORT the SOVIETS but were raped and massacred for not supporting the Islamic resistance directly. Even though they actually rooted for the Soviets to be kicked out of the territory.

 

Been reading A Savage War of Peace by Alistair Horne and he praises the FLN's patience and ability to adapt to the French army's movements. But I have not seen Horne make a single praise for any Islamic terrorists groups who been fighting the French recently such as Al Qaeda. Who have executed the very same qualities the FLN had, except to a more extreme level (particularly Al Qaeda's ability to hid in with the populace was superior than the FLN was when Al Qaeda operatives bombed France in the 80s and 90s). If the FLN, a terrorist group, is praised for its fighting qualities by a pro-western historian, shouldn't Al Qaeda, Hezbolla, and such group be PRAISED because they execute much of the same militarist valour and adaptability FLN did?

 

Why single out the Taliban and so on as being cowardly terrorists who bomb civilians?

 

That is what you totally missed in my post.

 

 

[Onasander]

Did my post get deleted or just didn't load yesterday?

[Pisces Axxxxx]

Did my post get deleted or just didn't load yesterday?

What were you going to state?

[Viggen]

@Onasander, i havent deleted any posts...