Monogamy

[Kosmo]

I wonder when and how the strict monogamy promoted by Christians replaced both the polygyny allowed by Judaism and the serial monogamy enabled by divorce, that Romans favored.

Valentinian I divorced in 370 AD Severa, mother of Gratian, and married Justina, mother of Valentinian II.

[Melvadius]

As can be seen this article (especially on page 5 in section 2.1 Historical timeline) there is a lot of debate on when the transition occured.

 

If I've understood it correctly the authors view seems to be that it didn't really occur until the 13th century when laws debarring illigitemate children from inheritance were promulgated by the church and they effectively took control of marriage.

[Pompieus]

A stage in the transition from "serial monogamy" to monogamy may be represented by the strong opposition of the Orthodox church to THIRD marriages by Roman Emperors in the seventh century.

Edited June 26, 2012 by Pompieus

[Kosmo]

As can be seen this article (especially on page 5 in section 2.1 Historical timeline) there is a lot of debate on when the transition occured.

 

If I've understood it correctly the authors view seems to be that it didn't really occur until the 13th century when laws debarring illigitemate children from inheritance were promulgated by the church and they effectively took control of marriage.

 

Thank you for the interesting article, but I'm not convinced that roman society can be regarded as having polygyny just because slave owners fathered children with slaves. Given the high rate of divorce among the elite I see it more like a society with serial monogamy but that refutes the logic of the article because they see a progression from polygyny to strict monogamy and finally to serial monogamy. This makes little sense to me. I believe that societies with strict monogamy are exceptional. Also, a progression from sequential monogamy to strict monogamy seems more natural then from polygyny straight to strict monogamy.

[caldrail]

Romans did not automatically authenticate the fatherhood of children - it was a matter of confirmation, and thus largely choice even in cases where it was clearly obvious. Unless the father proclaimed the child was actually his, it legally wasn't. In any case, if an ownrer fathered children by a slave woman then those children were by definition the property of the father and slaves, not actually children of his. If a woman bore a child from a slave father... Oh no... That's not done... Either the child is abandoned, left with caring people anonymously, or adopted by a family by ruse or private agreement.

[Onasander]

Six hour reply, covering the Etuscans, Revolt against Tarquin, The foundational Myth of the Roman Republic via The Rape of Lucretia, how Rome had.no.divorces in the Early republic, the various sexual strategies the.roman elite sought until.Sparticus's slave revolt, a comparison of Athenian Monagamy and the 4 kinds of women a rich land owner could have relations with (wife, masseuse, slave, servant), how it effected citizenship rights and inheritance, the adoption of Christian writers, such as St. Augustine on this topic, taking it from older republican era sources, and a explanation of why the vatican resurrected in the 1100s the Roman marriage laws to stop incest in the nobility, which the german law didn't, going into moral, theological, biological (x/y chromostom inheritance), and legal/social side effects, statistics and fears in modern US, Pslestinian, European, Swedish, Russian, Indian, and Bangladesh marriage practices related to the LGBT community, the caste system that evolved, and statistics for mental trauma and abuse suffered by societies that embraces chauvenistic or socialist laws favoring one sex more than another, crime rates, and demographic collapses in countries like Russia, or explosions like in china, and a comparison for roman/christian sexual monogamy vs confucian filial concepts, both going down the drain, with a cap of major sexology and feminist opinions on this subject.....

 

And it is all deleted when I hit send, and this white page pops up saying I must be lost, click here.....

 

I even spelt checked it, I never do that......

 

In a nutshell, everyone's premise is wrong. Christianity never supplanted the Roman system, the Christians adopted the roman practice of long term monogamy as a alternative to Christ's advocation with celibacy. With the Franks under Charlamane.(he had several wives), some Ethiopian Orthodox, and the occasional Arab Polygamist convert as the only ancient circumstances of Christianity breaking the roman rule, I can safely say neither the.Romans or greeks condoned Polygamy, and condoned homosexuality to varying degrees depending on the era.

 

All that crap on the Satyricon and trannies in san framcisco gone too......

 

That was a long ass post. Well groomed too, gone. Damn it. I sleep now.