pompeius magnus Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 What historical movie do you think did the worst job with historical accuracy. My pick is Troy. No Cassandra- or i might have missed it- Agamemnon killed by Achilles woman not by Clymenestra and his cousin, Ajax killed by Hector and not by suicide after realizing a rage he had gone into after losing rights to Achilles gear to Odysseus, and Menelaus being killed by Hector when Homer has Telemachus meeting him in Sparta with Helen by his side in the Odyssey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scanderbeg Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Yea that movie pissed me off. It was complete butchering of a great epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Troy, without a doubt. About half an hour into the movie, after Achilles had lobbed off the head of a statue of what was supposed to be APollo, I turned off the DVD and never went back. I though the cheesy and woefully inaccurate 1970's movie "Clash of the Titans" was a better stab at Greek mythology than "Troy" ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeius magnus Posted April 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 God help us if they decide to do the Odyssey, they would have the Phaecians attack Odysseus, and Athena trying to kill him, not to mention a plot by Penelope to kill Odysseus if ever he shall return, and Agamenon would still be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilcar Barca Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Troy was a holocaust, I've never felt so exasperated at a movie in all my life. The entire war took what, 12 days?! Wolfgang Peterson should be shot for creating such an atrocity, not to mention shitting on Homer's grave and desecrating one of the greatest literary works of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Troy was nothing but a show piece for Pitt's abs. C'mon at the end there how the hell did Paris not know who Aeneas was, Aeneas was a prince of Troy! That movie was crap crap more suited to the gnere of the Scorpian King than an epic, crap they might as well have added Arnold as Zeus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 lol was it really that bad???!?!?! Would you suggest even watching it? Zeke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Valerius Scerio Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 I would suggest watching it, and if you actually watch it for a movie (um, which it is) you'll find out it's much better than these people suggest. It's akin to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Sure, it's not where near the book, not even close, but to say it's a bad movie merely because it's not the book says something. One cannot be another, and no movie is like the book. You're comparing apples and oranges here. I know the faults in the script, but to suggest murder for making such an epic alive? Come on people, get off it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longbow Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Troy sucks,but i did like the fight scene with achilles and hector,there was some fine spear work.LOL Im gonna say King Arthur,still cant believe how bad that movie is.L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlapse Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Yes, I endured much exasperated forehead slapping during King Arthur and I fell asleep during Troy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 you'll find out it's much better than these people suggest................ I know the faults in the script, but to suggest murder for making such an epic alive? Come on people, get off it. Valerius, you gotta be kidding me. Seriously there are no words that do justice to what a complete disaster that movie was. They chickened out of rounding out the characters or the dialogue but inexplicably felt free to completely butcher the story. It is the precise opposite of what needed to be done. I still can't quite get over what a complete balls they made of it. They had a huge wad of money and one of the greatest stories ever told to work with - and they managed to make it almost unwatchable. Its insane. All they had to do was tell the story as it is and take a few liberties wuth the dialogue and thats it - instant classic. Instead we get one of the very worst movies ever made, a crime, a tragedy, a disgrace.....its all of these and more. In short then Valerius, I dissagree with you slightly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Valerius Scerio Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 If it were called the Iliad, I would be inclined to agree with you. But the whole purpose of the story was not to retell the Iliad, but to give what could have been a historical account of what have happened. Are you suggesting that Homer actually wrote history? I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skel Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 ^^touche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 But the whole purpose of the story was not to retell the Iliad, but to give what could have been a historical account of what have happened Well, sure the scope of the movie is the entire Trojan War rather than just the Iliad, but the bones of it is based on Homer. Which they proceeded to randomly destroy. There is no alternative historical evidence pointing to Menalaus dying in Troy for example. Its just butchered Homer. There is no attempt to write a historical account or anything like it. Are you suggesting that Homer actually wrote history? I think not. I don't mean to be rude but what are you talking about? I never even alluded to anything approaching that. Homer wrote a great and important epic tale, probably based on Greek history as he knew it. How is making a mutilated version of this with arbitrary changes and ommisions a historical acount ? They are using Homers characters and retelling his tale of the Trojan War, and they made a complete hash of it because they took ridiculous liberties with one of history's greatest works. Simple as that. I must say though I do kind of see what you were getting at in your first post though. If you meant simply watching the movie on its merits instead of comparing it to what we think it should be well then thats a good point, strangley enough that is exactly the tactic I have been using lately in order to enjoy the latest rush of historical epics. And it has worked pretty well for me. I found it impossible with Troy though because it is complete irredeemable rubbish. In my opinion of course *edit* Oh by the way I didn't mean to jump all over you when you were just trying to bring a bit of sanity to the torrent of abuse directed at the film. I'm all tired and cranky today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurius Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 What historical movie do you think did the worst job with historical accuracy. In the past ten or so years: Ancient/Medieval- Troy, Alexander, Gladiator, Braveheart, Arthur American Revolutionary/Civil War - The Patriot, Cold Harbor WWII- Pearl Harbor, Enemy at the Gates, U-571 Out of all that rubbish, I would have to agree that Troy is near the bottom of the heap, but Pearl is the worst...IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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