Is the former Roman empire falling again?

[caesar novus]

Is Europe about to fall due to abandoning Christianity, or due to embracing Christian guilt? Is Europe falling? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0138906916.html found thru http://www.aldaily.com/

In his reflections on Europe's slide into a sort of secular suicide, Mr. Caldwell notes the key role played by that most religious impulse: guilt.

[Kosmo]

The European Union it's the biggest and the most daring political experiment of our times. The end result it's unclear but this "reflections" don't help much. The guilt part it's the most dubious and all sounds like religious propaganda to me like the one tried by Poland when they wanted to make a mention of Christianity in the Lisbon constitutional Treaty.

For sure that definition of religion it's one I agree to, but Christians, not atheists, are a majority in the EU.

[sylla]

Is Europe about to fall due to abandoning Christianity, or due to embracing Christian guilt? Is Europe falling? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0138906916.html found thru http://www.aldaily.com/

In his reflections on Europe's slide into a sort of secular suicide, Mr. Caldwell notes the key role played by that most religious impulse: guilt.

The European Union it's the biggest and the most daring political experiment of our times. The end result it's unclear but this "reflections" don't help much. The guilt part it's the most dubious and all sounds like religious propaganda to me like the one tried by Poland when they wanted to make a mention of Christianity in the Lisbon constitutional Treaty.

For sure that definition of religion it's one I agree to, but Christians, not atheists, are a majority in the EU.

Must agree with Kosmo.

BTW, Mr. Caldwell is clearly not troubled by any guilt; you can never be too chauvinist.

After all, chauvinism doesn't hurt ... enough, it seems.

Edited September 18, 2009 by sylla

[Artimi]

How far back does history go? How far back is responsibility?

Edited September 18, 2009 by Artimi

[Ursus]

Secularism in and of itself is not a problem for the West if it is a secularism that is founded on something other than mindless consumerism (as may be the case in America) or on intellectual postcolonial guilt (as may be the case for Europe).

 

"Christianity, and nothing else, is the ultimate foundation of liberty, conscience, human rights, and democracy, the benchmarks of Western civilization. To this we have no other options. We continue to nourish ourselves from this source. Everything else is postmodern chatter."

 

Do these people study history? Democracy was invented by pagan Greece long before Christianity.

[ObstinatusMulus]

Secularism in and of itself is not a problem for the West if it is a secularism that is founded on something other than mindless consumerism (as may be the case in America) or on intellectual postcolonial guilt (as may be the case for Europe).

 

"Christianity, and nothing else, is the ultimate foundation of liberty, conscience, human rights, and democracy, the benchmarks of Western civilization. To this we have no other options. We continue to nourish ourselves from this source. Everything else is postmodern chatter."

 

Do these people study history? Democracy was invented by pagan Greece long before Christianity.

 

Or even study christianity? A little St. Augustine anyone?