FLavius Valerius Constantinus

They initiated it, but it was not popularized by them only. Once upon a time, the Western Empire fell to ruins, leaving only the real Romans in the Eastern Empire. The Holy Roman Empire was just an attempt by the pope to assert his authenthicity as the successor of the Roman Empire, therefore he started calling the Greeks whatever he could to discredit them. Thereby, people were taught different terms like Byzantine.

Sigh , you have a dirty mind.

Forget all the jumbled mess, just know that the people of classical and medieval Greece to the time of mid 20th century never even used the word Byzantine. Now as to the correct term, it depends on the time period. The ancient Greeks around the time of Roman dominance would call themselves people of Hellenes. The Christian Greeks meanwhile would term themselves Romaioi, and if you used the term Hellenes, the Romaioi would hate you even if he acknowledge his pagan past=Hellenes because to a Christian Greek, Hellenes was a forbidden and pagan past. Since the Romaioi was extremely assertive of the fact that his empire was the true Roman Empire/Basileia Romaion, so yes, a Romaioi, considered himself Roman. Now why do we have the creation of different terms like Byzantine? Blame Western European politics and probably the pope who crowned Charlemange. Since Charlemage was supposed the new Roman Emperor of the [Holy] 'Roman Empire', however, what do you do when there was an already existing empire in the East? Simple, you discredit them and call them the Greek Empire. Soon, Western Europe was calling the Greeks a bunch of things, and one of them was Byzantine because it became popularized by the West. [Note, Byzantine was the equivalent of saying the Greek Empire].

Welcome to our club of ranters.

That's just silly, everyone knows that all the Germanics gathered and traded amber with Jewish merchants in order to secure the necessary quantities of frankincense. In order to maximize wagon space, the Germanics ground it up before delivery. By complete accident, they soon learned that if they snorted the amber powder, it would provide much the same effects as modern *iagr*. If they happened to get a piece with an old petrified mosquito in it, it would make them hallucinate as well. Unfortunately, in that hallucinogenic state, the poor wild Germanics couldn't tell whose mate belonged to whom and this led to a massive baby boom. Undoubtedly, this was a direct cause of the Germanic migrations that ultimately ushered in the fall of the Roman west. Clear and ironic evidence of Roman decadence (lust for frankincense) as a direct cause for their own demise. My Lord, I'm all perplexed now. On the one hand, I understand the connections, but on the other, I'm in disbeliefment. SO Primus Pilus, explain this junk over again to me. And can you give me a book/source to read about this subject too.

Uh Gladius, I think you've mixed up your responses with your quotes.

You can tell there is Greek influence when you have the P pronounced as an R.

I don't care if Chicago doesn't win the Superbowl, but I would love for the Bears to make whole state of Louisiana drop to the ground in pain. By the way, did anyone notice during the Eagles/Saints game, that one of the fans shown on TV had an actual shirt: F*** Da Eagles. Then there was another woman who was barely clothed. Boy, did Fox sports get lucky with the FCC.

Gentlemen, we are all incorrect for we made too much assumptions without considering other details/circumstances. So did the Muslims actually burn the Great Library or was it a different part/library? Who knows? Was it really the Christians or was it the Jews or was it the pagans themselves? Who knows? Link to article

Agreed, with the opposite result. Go Pats! Looks like someone is infatuated with Tom Brady.

Whoa, slow down. Not everyone will have the correct knowledge or perception, which is why we have other members to correct it like Phihillene. In fact, some people are taught/learn differently...so let's not get too frustrated.

Unforunately, you must put the blame for this grave error on Western European politics along with some lazy historian who was too lazy and jealous to call the Eastern half the true Roman empire. But no, what we got was offensive terms to the Romioi such as the never-existed-in-history Greek Empire and Byzantine Empire.

Oh hey, guess what, if Iran could threaten Israel, then who is to say that they can't threaten us and our allies when they are finally armed with intercontinental ballistic missle technology. And also, did you not know that Israel has a preemptive nuclear strike plan?Link to article Seriously, what is it that you have against the Jews when the irony is that Jewish-Americans are pretty damn liberal and has the same amount of hate for Bush as you do?

Dual citizenship with Israel? Real conspiracy? Isaeli strategic objective? I'm afraid those kind of accusations just won't do. As I have stated before, your supposed evidence is full of irrationality.

What's wrong with you people living on the 'other side.' Everyone knows that the real civilized people of Britannia is behind the wall.

Apparently, you don't realize that the BBC actually has its own agenda like CNN. Well it's my view because I everytime I see a BBC World News Report on Iraq, never have I seen one positive light about our soldiers or even an in depth report. And what's with the damn title ok BBC, the War Party, they make it sound like a conspiracy report. Not very professional.

Are you intentionally trying to be irrational? I hardly find such bias and irreliable sites worth reading. The only people that I listen to and understand always seem to ber Virgil, Gaius, Cato, Primus, Moonlapse,Tflex and other rational members who I trust have more knowledge than I do.

LOL LOL LOL :lamo: That was a good one.

Would you please explain this? I am lost. The Mezquita was formerly a mosque, then we Catholics got it back. However Kosmo jokingly hopes that it will go back to the Arian Visigoths, who owned the area before the Moors.

It's pointless to point out the flaws in either yours or my states for politics is brutal and ever-changing. However, you misunderstood Ramses. He did not try to say that Lebanon is wholly Christian, rather that a substantial part of Lebanon's history and culture is represented by its Maronite Christians, thus Lebanon can be identified by its Christian, Sunni, Shia, Druze, and other backgrounds. Now, if you wanted to take this issue politically, the Christians and Sunnis vehemently oppose the radical Shia because of Hizbullah. Note: If you prefer a real majority by actually seperating the Muslims into their different sects, you would find out that Christians are the majority, then Sunnis, the Shias, and then Druzes.

Heck, playoffs=equality to me. The BCS system should be renamed: Let's give only one team an unfair advantage while the other teams must fight like Dogs.

HAH??? Listen, they aren't friggin North Korea. They are Iran, who can destabilize a whole non-nuclear region[with exception of Israel] just by building one nuke, which they will use to make fell uneasy[threaten] other Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia. And who do you think will have to get involve, especially now that the damn Iranians are meddling in Iraq, us Damn it[the USA]. Main point, they are a threat to us and our 'allies.' And also, what make's you think that they won't more likely attempt a terrorist attack on us instead of just a nuclear weapon.

My friend, we are what they call teetotallers.

I wonder if this guy was part of Constantine's army.

Fortunately, I don't drink though my fellow minors do, nor shall I consume alcohol.