Germanicus

We know Flavius, we know. The Spartacus movie staring Kirk Douglas, made in the 60s.

But I bought up all the property on the moon from an online auction house last year ! Oh well, you can build your base, leasing the property from me for $10,000.

Am I missing something here ?

I have heard in the past (can't recall where) that the homelands of the Cimbri and Tuetones in modern day Norway ? Were flooded by the ocean, causing their mass migration that ended with their slaughter at the hands of Marius and Co. Has anyone else heard this theory ? Does anyone have any resources that they can point me to on this ? Thanks

I think thats that's kind of the point. No one denies that in a similar situation in todays world, the protagonist would have a hard time justifying invasion. But we are discussing what happened over 2000 years ago, in a different culture, with different values, responding to different threats and driven by different desires. Perhaps it's just me, but I don't tend to look at the Gallic wars as Genocide, nor the Punic Wars by any stretch of the imagination. I just look at them with fascination. Perhaps you should start some threads in the "Ethics and Morals of" folder, that'd be right up your alley.

So Summer arrived this week, and the first day was a hot one at 34c, which I enjoyed. I guess that's about 90 or something in the other measurement. The days this week were like a count down for me, as I was anticipating heading down to the beach house. I write this from that very house by the sea. The house is in Barwon Heads which is only about an hour and a half from Melbourne. It's a place I really enjoy. I never do that much down here...if it's hot I go swimming, I go fishing in the evenings, I read a lot. Speaking of which I'll be trying to put a big dent in 69AD The Year of Four Emperors while I'm down here. Barwon Heads is called that because the town surrounds some headlands where the Barwon river flows into Bass Straight, not far from the entry to Port Phillip Bay, they do killer fish and chips down here, I sampled them again tonight. That's it for now, If I catch any decent fish I might write something about it. Summer days, oh how I love them.

Maybe you could ask the Intelligent designer that.

Wasn't proposing that someone be named Consul without a collegue bending the rules ? No one disputes that they should/should not have been excecuted, just that it was done without a trial and legalised through the senatus consultum. It was Civil war, had Caesar lost in Africa, the Oligarchs would have been falling all over each other to be the one to stage a triumph. In terms of Caesars initial crossing of the Rubicon and march on Rome - it was essentially bloodless no ? I don't think thats what Virgil is getting at. The people you mentioned were not of the same country/government. If they were, and a crisis ensued, and not prosecuting and exileing (possibly excecuting) someone who had done enormous things for that countries prestige would prevent a civil war, and the deaths of thousands of citizens, would it not be good idea to compromise ? The compromise would have had no detrimental consequence for Cato other than what....him having to bend some of his principles.....again. I do agree with your last comment, it is hard to tell who was responsible....because many were. Including Cato. Mind you, the Catalinian affair should have been a wake up call for the oligarchy that their beloved republic was seriously sick. It's not like there weren't reasons for the conspiracy....reasons which people like Caesar and Clodius were serious about trying to address.

Caesar also moved that they not be excecuted. The law allowed for the excecution because the Senate voted (Post Sentance) to legalise Ciceros actions.

By the same principle, Cato should have been prosecuted along with the rest of the Senators who supported Cicero's move to execute those in the Cataline conspiracy without trial, it was against the rule of law. Laws were changed to accomodate the whims of senators from time to time, why was Cato happy to pass the Setatus Consutatum in this instance, but would not budge on Caesar ? He was principled to a point, but the fact is all his actions in relation to Caesar were personal, they had nothing to do with what he believed about the republic. IMO of course.

I'd like a film about Vercingetorix building rebellion, with the second half of the film dedicated to Alesia, the final scene would be him laying his arms at Caesars feet.

This seems an odd statement. 1- It goes against the evidence as mentioned by Hamilcar below:- 2- If you assume Macedonia is winning the battles - how would Rome be winning the war ?

I've read them all, in my childhood. The representation of Julius Caesar is particularly funny. The comics all start with a picture of Vercingetorix laying his arms at Caesars feet - you've got to see the picture.

I just consider it low because in my opinion there may not have been a Rome for Caesar or Trajan to expand had Marius not stood in the way of 100,000 Cimbri and Tuetones. But each to their own.

Sorry - who were you responding to here ? He's not on the list and I don't think anyone suggested him for Best General status.

Out of curiosity - Why do you put Marius so low ?

I've only ever had the flood control message when doing a search, never when posting.....thats me anyway.

You'll find them in every Italian city.

Kindly start this thread Cato, I'm sure it will become a hot topic.

I heard a while back that Russia cannot locate a number of Soviet era briefcase size nuclear devices, the number may have been as high as a hundred. All you need is an unscrupulous person to get hold of one and sell it.....kaboom.

I agree that the idea is almost certainly a myth, but the myth goes well back before Augustus.

See Tacitus The Annals 12.56

Another one for the list of subversives

Sorry to break it to you Honorius, but the Coalition has control of both houses, that's why all the legislation Howard wants passed goes straight on through, there is effectively no house of review. Don't feel bad that you didn't know, most of the people who voted them in are only now realising what a mistake it was to mark a 1 next to the Coalition box on BOTH ballet papers.

You don't mean this do you Sextus ? Surely not.......