Bryaxis Hecatee

Could it be one of Corinth then ?

Would it not be one of the fountains of Glanum, France ? (As for Mandeure I choose it because I dug there on the late roman city wall some years ago, and we found some parts of the theater in the fondations of the walls)

Gosh ! I know it's the second largest gallo-roman theater of France but I did not think anyone would find it so quickly ! Have you visited it or how did you find it ? Anyway the hand is yours !

Well I've been there four or five times including once with my archeology teacher who gave us a on the spot course on the bridge so... But without further ado a very hard one I think, but I'am also sure you're all good enough to find it in the end.

Isn't that Trier's roman bridge ( or at least roman bridge's piles ) ?

Well done I took that picture from my collection because the place is little known and was hard to find Hand is yours

A for once I did find the place The city of Marius where the earliest portrait of Caesar was found some monthes ago can easily be identified thanks to the medieval towers on the amphitheater, from when the whole medieval city was inside the arena... Next to it stands the roman theater and nearby is the cryptoporticus, three of the best known remains of the ancient city in which current archeological researches seems to concentrate on the Rhone river. As for the next picture, we change the area completely and look for...

Arles ( southern France) ?

Unfortunately too many museum don't have catalogs or postcards, not even for special exhibitions. Thus the recourse to pictures. But for me flash must never be allowed because their is too much chances that it will damage something.

Isn't this Lepsis Magna in Lybia ?

Could be nice, especially if some are taken in every seasons ( who has some roman site under snow ? ) and help with UNRV's funds...

Of course their was a + but it was hard to save much of it, as it was in later periods ( think napoleonic soldiers or even modern soldiers, who often have to buy equipement with their own money because standard issued equipement is outdated or broken ). Then came wine, extra food, money for the family if one had been created, etc. So in the end not so much money was saved. Thus any donatium (gift) or any money raised from pillage was a good thing for the soldiers.

I believe that retirement was one of the really sought awards for long service and I doubt that any soldier could really use his pay in a constructive way (in effect, not gamble it away) while serving. There is also the factor of how difficult the life of a soldier would be, especially for a old (as in 50+) man, retirement must have been attractive. and one must not forget that the pay was also used to pay for equipement's upgrade or change, money was taken from the pay by the legion to pay for food, etc. : take a look at any book looking at daily life of soldiers of the time to see how much money could really be kept by a soldier... Goldsworthy's Complete army is, once more, a good start

while still looking for the promised informations, i found in Goldsorthy's Complete Roman Army (p. 73 ) the career of Petronius Fortunatus, late 1st/early second AD, tombstone found in Lambaesis ( Northern Africa ) with 50 years of service : enlisted in lower moesia, Legio I Italica and was librarius, tesserarius, optio, signifer, all this in 4 years beffore being promoted to centurion by the vote of the soldiers. 46 years then spent in Legio VI Ferrata ( Syria ), I Minerva ( Lower Germany ), X Gemina ( Upper Pannonia ), II Augusta ( Britain ), III Augusta ( Numidia ), III Gallica ( Syria ), XXX Ulpia ( lower germany ), VI Victrix ( Britain ), III Cyrenaica ( Arabia ), II Parthica ( Italy ? ), I Aduitrix ( Upper or Lower Pannonia ), winning a mural crown and varius torques and phalerae Also, well known, the middle republic soldier Spurius Ligustinus, some 22 years of service : Livy Ab Urbe Condita 42.34 [The date is 171 B.C.]: "Citizens of Rome. I am Spurius Ligustinus, of the Tribe Crustumina, and I come of Sabine stock. My father left me half an acre of land and the little hut in which I was born and brought up. I am still living there today. As soon as I came of age, my father gave me his brother's daughter to wife, who brought nothing with her save her free birth and her chastity, together with a fertility which would be enough even for a wealthy home. We have six sons, and two daughters (both already married). Four of my sons have taken the toga of manhood; two are still under age. I joined the army in the consulship of Publius Sulpicius and Gaius Aurelius (Cotta) [200 B.C.], and I served two years in the ranks in the army which was taken across to Macedonia, in the campaign against King Philip [V, of Macedonia who died in 179]. In the third year Titus Quinctius Flamininus promoted me, for my bravery, to be centurion of the 10th maniple of hastati. After the defeat of King Philip and the Macedonians, when we had been brought back to Italy and demobilized, I immediately left for Spain as a volunteer with the consul Marcus Porcius [CATO, consul in 195 B.C.]. Of all the living generals, none has been a keener observer and judge of bravery than he, as is well known to those who through long military service have had experience of him and other commanders. This general judged me worthy to be appointed centurion of the 1st century of hastati. I enlisted for the third time, again as a volunteer, in the army sent against the Aetolians and King Antiochus. Manius Acilius [Glabrio, consul of 191] appointed me centurion of the first century of the principes. When King Antiochus had been driven out [battle of Thermopylae] and the Aetolians had been crushed, we were brought back to Italy. And twice after that I took part in campaigns in which the legions served for a year. Thereafter I saw two campaigns in Spain, one with Quintus Fulvius Flaccus as Praetor [182, continued in office in 181 and 180], the other with Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus [father of the Gracchus brothers] in command [180]. I was brought back home by Flaccus with the others whom he brought back with him from the province for his Triumph, on account of their bravery. And I returned to Spain becaus eI was asked to do so by Tbierius Gracchus. Four times in the course of a few years I held the rank of Chief Centurion. Thirty four times I was rewarded for bravery by the generals. I have been given six civic crowns. I have completed 22 years of service in the army, and I am now over 50 years old. But even if I had not completed my service, and if my age did not give me exemption, it would still be right for me to be descharged, Publius Licinius, since I could give your four soldiers as my substitutes...' There was an official vote of thanks, and the Military Tribunes, on account of his bravery appointed him First Centurion of the First Legion. The other centurions withdrew their appeal and obediently responded to the call for conscription."

I really should buy a copy of L'arm

@ Klingan : there is also the vatican inscription's collection where you might find interesting informations, at least if it's open... Otherwise on the main topic there is also the famous republican soldier who asked the right for veterans to campaign in Greece, as related by Livius. He was also a long serving soldier, but I'd have to find the reference back ( I think it's in Goldworthy's "the complete roman army" but would'nt put my head on the question )

The res gestae seems to be in the midst of a lot of attention those last few years, after other publications like the new french Bude edition by John Scheid which came out less than 5 years ago and gave a modern perspective on the text.

Yes, but I think we'll soon find ourself with a Lacus Curtius sized website... Also the idea is to have pictures commented ( unlike what's on your first link ) for better referencement and richer content experiance for the visitors

OK, no problem. One thing we have to remember if we use plan b Picasa is that at medium resolution ( 1024 ) we have space for about 6000 pictures. So we'll certainly need more space, and this costs money : that's a decision for the triumvirate to make.

Hello, I'm sorry I reply so lately to your question, which I had seen both here and in my message box, but I wasn't able to answer it earlier due to lack of time to take a look at my books. In my roman institutions courses notebook few bibliographical references are given but the old article of A. Betz "Zur Dislokation des Legionen in der Zeit vom Tode des Augustus bis zum Ende des Prinzipatsepoche", published in 1956 in the review Carnuntina, page 21 and onward, seems to be one of the main references. My notebook also gives me the following informations ( M.-T. Rapsaet Charlier, Institutions Romaines part I, 2005-06/07 edition ) : - Legio I ( Germanica ) = Lower Germania, dissolved in 70/71 - Legio I Adiutrix = Created at the end of Neron's rule in Hispania Citerior, then from 71 to at most 86 Germania superior, then Danubian border but exact localisation unknown. From 118/9 to 214 in Panonia Superior then, the border being redrawn without the legion moving, in Pannonia Inferior - Legio I Italica = Created by Nero in 66/67 in Mesia, then Mesia Inferior - Legio I Minervia = Created by Domitian in 83, Germania Inferior - Legio I Parthica : Created by Septimius Severus in 197, Mesopotamia - Legio II Adiutrix = Created by Vespasian in 70. Some years in Germania then sent to Britania before going to Pannonia around 85. Later in Pannonia Inferior - Legio II Augusta = Germania Superior. From 43 onward in Britania then Britania Superior - Legio II Italica = Created around 165 by Marcus Aurelius, Norica - Legion II Parthica = Created by Septimius Severus in 197, Italia - Legio II Traiana = Created by Trajanus in 101, Egypt - Legion III Augusta = Numidia ( dissolved from 238 to 253 ) - Legio III Cyrenaica = Egypte then, sometimes between 120 and 127, Arabia - Legio III Gallica = Syria then Syria Phenicia - Legio III Italica = Created by Marcus Aurelius around 165, Rhetia - Legio III Parthica = Created by Septimius Severus in 197, Mesopotamia - Legio IV Flavia = Created by Vespasianus in 70, Dalmatia. From 86 onward, Mesia Superior - Legio IV Macedonica = Hispania Citerior then, from 39 or 43 onward Germania Superior. Dissolved in 70/71 - Legio IV Scythica = Mesia Unitaria. From 56/57 onward, in Syria and then Coele Syria - Legio V Alauda = Germania Inferior. From 69 onward, Mesia. Lost in action during the dacian war of Domitianus; - Legio V Macedonica = Mesia. From 62 to 66 Syria, then Judea. In 71 back to Mesia, then Mesia Inferior. From 167 onward, Dacia Porolissensis - Legio VI Ferrata = Syria. From the second jewish war onward, Syria Palestina - Legio VI Victrix = Hispania Citerior. From 71 onward, Germania Inferior. From 120 onward, Britania and then Britania Inferior. - Legio VII Claudia = Dalmatia. From 55/57 onward, Mesia and then Mesia Superior - Legio VII Gemina = Created by Galba in 68, Pannonia. From the 70's onward, Hispania Citerior - Legio VIII Augusta = Pannonia. From 45 onward, Mesia. From 70/71 onward, Germania Superior - Legio IX Hispana = Pannonia ( but in Africa in 23 and 24 ) then, from 43 onward, Britania. Lost in action during the beginning of the parthian war of the 120's, as shown by an inscription from Nijmagen (Holland) - Legio X Fretensis = Syria. From the first jewish war onward, Judea then Syria Palestina - Legio X Gemina = Hispania citerior the, from 63 to 68, Pannonia. In 68, back to Hispania Citerior then, sometimes during the flavian period, Germania Inferior. From 102 onward Pannonia, then pannonia Superior - Legio XI Claudia = Dalmatia. From 70 onward, Germania Superior. From 100/101, Pannonia. Then from 106 onward, Mesia Inferior - Legio XII Fulminata = Syria. From 70 onward, Cappadocia - Legio XIII Gemina = Germania Superior. From 45/46, Pannonia. From 101 Dacia, then Dacia Superior, then Dacia Apulensis - Legio XIV Gemina = Germania Superior. From 43 to 71, Britania then Germania Superior. After 96/97 in Pannonia then in Pannonia Superior. - Legio XV Apollinaris = Pannonia then, from 62 to 66, Judea. From then to 71, Judea. From 71 to 114, Pannonia superior and then Cappadocia - Legio XV Primigenia = Created by Caligula. From 40 to 45/46 in Germania Superior, then Germania inferior. Lost in action in 70. - Legio XVI Flavia = Created by Vespasians. Cappadocia. From Hadrian's time in Syria then Coele Syria - Legio XVI (Gallica) = Germania Superior then, from 43 onward, Germania Inferior. Dissolved in 70 - Legio XVII = Germania Inferior, lost in action 9 A.D. ( Varus ) - Legio XVIII = Germania Inferior, lost in action 9 A.D. ( Varus ) - Legio XIX = Germania Inferior, lost in action 9 A.D. ( Varus ) - Legio XX Valeria Victrix = Germania Inferior. From 43 onward, Britania then Britania Superior - Legio XXI Rapax = Germania superior. From 9 A.D. in Germania Inferior. In 45 up to 71 in Germania Superior. From 71 to 83 back to Germania Inferior. From 83 to 85 engaged in the war against the Chatti. From 85 to 89 in Germania Superior. Lost in action during Domitian's Dacian war - Legio XXII Deiotariana = Egypt, lost in action during the second jewish war - Legio XXII Primigenia = Created by Caligula, Germania Inferior. From 43 onward, Germania Superior. In 71 in Germania Inferior. Back to Germania Superior in 96/97 - Legio XXX Ulpia = Created by Trajanus in 101. Pannonia then Pannonia Superior. From 120/122 onward, Germania Inferior.

I'll be putting online a lot of pictures of the secret room when I'll find the time to empty my camera of last day's pics and write the three last day summary I need to write for my blog But yes the roman had tastes which surprises us but this goat is not the most surprising i've seen in this realm.

The thing is that the sheer volume of the project ( probably in the range of 10 to 25k pictures for Italy alone : just my collection of pictures from Italy is about 3000 units strong ) is a problem. Then comes the structure of the things : it needs to be searchable to be usefull, to be well tagged, to be presentable under various views ( all pictures of Rome or all pictures of a member or all picture of rome by a member... ). Thus I'm not sure the current infrastructure is really adapted, especially as it does not take mass upload well. Maybe beginning with Picasa ( allowing everyone to tag his/her own pictures on his computer with the rather good and easy software of Google before either directly uploading the pics on the unrv picasa account of sending them to a manager ) could be a first solution.

once more very nice pictures, what kind of camera did you use to take them ? I'm sorry you had worse weather than I did, but then I feel less sorry when I see you could access some closed domus of Pompei

Well between the two who think their body must get some tuning to look good ( understand : piercings ) and the one who think tattoos will make her prettier... None really gives me incentives to attend to their needs.

Yep, I'd received the BMCR message too, it looks interesting. Has anyone here read it ?