Bryaxis Hecatee

Hi everyone, Since my Picasa account was full I was unable to upload my latest pictures, at least until I bought space from them. This has allowed me to put pictures I had forgotten from my Napoli trip but also a large collection from the Mus

I resurect this discussion because I've finally gone around to publishing my pictures of the erotic cabinet of the Napoli Archeological Museum, you can find the pictures at http://picasaweb.google.be/bryaxis/Naples16Avril2009#

Yes broaches are what I was thinking about, we usualy wall them fibules, fibulae being the latin for them... cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibula_%28brooch%29 (nice article full of pictures). Does fibulae have another meaning in english ? ( I mean outside of the bone we usually call peronn

fibulae are jewels used to hold one's cape, or one's mantle, in any case upper clothes : they were used in Greece, Italy, Gauls, and for a very long time (we have wonderfull germanic fibulae of merovingian dating for exemple). About the relationship between etruscans and the rest of the world, it is know that they were traders, pirates when the need arose, and had a lot of contacts with the Carthaginian for exemple. But the strangest thing about them is that no one knows where they originaly came from and their language is still far from being completely understood...

I'll keep the eyes open then

For Aquilea I'll be coming from Udine in fact, and going Aquilea to Grado to Trieste (and taking the morning train from Trieste to Venezia the next day, a trip said to be very nice indeed)

Well I've already been to Venice twice in the 90's (of course I was young then ). Parma I would mostly go through if I can reach Velleia easily, otherwise I would probably not go that way at all, especially since you've told me about the etruscan Marzabotto. I'll look into Montagnana too, but it will depend of how much time I spend wandering in the streets and museums of Este and Monselice. The Aquileia, Grado, Trieste day will probably be hard, yes, and I might drop Grado if I see that time is too short, but since I spend a night in Trieste I can visit it after my meal, under the dying sun which should be most appropriate for a city so often described as melancholic... Also the advantage with churches is that they are often open even on monday or sometimes later than museums, so in Ravena I think I'll be able to visit close to all the famous places and maybe some not so famous ones. Same holds true for Bologna. And in both cities I will have more than one evening to walk the streets and enjoy their beauty

not japanese but a bit stakanovist I usually take only one meal a day when travelling, usually in the evening, and can rest in the busses and trains, where I can also transfer my pictures to the new computer I bought yesterday for the purpose, begin to tag them, etc... Also I walk rather fast (as evidenced by the some 100km I walked in the Napoli area last year ) I want to make the most out of my travels

Ok, the trip is more and more taking it's definitve form, most hotels are booked, the main remaining issue is the tour of Friul and the visite of Veleia Romana, in the area of Parma/Piacenza: date nuit hotel visites 09/07/2010 Bergamo Mercure Palazzo Dolci Arrival 10/07/2010 Brescia Cristallo Bergamo 11/07/2010 Verone Valverde Brescia 12/07/2010 Verone Valverde Verona (amphitheater, theater, museum, churches, ...) 13/07/2010 Padova Eden Desenzano (roman villa, museum), Sirmione (grotto di catule, castle) 14/07/2010 Padova Eden Vicenze 15/07/2010 Udine (?) ? Padova 16/07/2010 Udine (?) ? Cividade del Friuli, Zuglio ( roman city, ? if I can arrange transportation to the place) 17/07/2010 Trieste ? Aquileia (roman city), Grado, Trieste (roman remains) 18/07/2010 Venezia Al Vagon Venezia 19/07/2010 Monselice Affittacamere C

Well Jolie was rather good as Olympia in Stone's movie (especially againt blond Farell... but that was not difficult) but for Cleopatra... I think a Belluci like actress might be better.

You should rather understant the various tribes of Gallia Belgica as a people (the Belgae) divided in tribes called Nervii, Eburones, etc... as the Eduani were gauls. Due to the practice of Caesar during the war I'd presume that the various legions were mainly in 1 unit camps at some distance from each other (as evidenced during Ambiorix' revolt) But to be more precise than that I must confess that I know of no book able to help you, and I've not heard of a Caesarean camp ever found other than Alesia's extensive works. To help you with the places of the various tribes you may use maps such as : http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/3qqabyzrn9hq0...artegaule-1.jpg or http://lebanquetdesleuques.unblog.fr/files.../03/gaulois.gif

Hum going down to Rimini ? Hadn't thought about going there, had heard it was mainly a "basic sun and sand tourist place" with only modern cement buildings. I'll look into it. I also take good note of your other advices (for Bologna a friend who studied there for a year had indeed told me about the museum).

That would be my pleasure, Viggen. I'll of course have to brush up my german to at least greet you properly then I see on the web that they are roman remains at Zuglio, but it would mean for me to go in the higher parts of the Friuli around Tolmezzo, whereas I had not planned going higher than Cividade del Friuli... (I don't have a driving licence so I can only use public transportations)

Once again Maladict you are full of good advices. I see no one has particularily recommended Parma, Piacenzia and Milano, and many advices have been given to the effect of going toward the Frioul, so that might well be the way I'll go. Also since they are smaller towns I might find myself pay less for my nights than in the larger cities...

@Caesar Novus : happy that my repport allowed you to enjoy the wonderfull views of Pouzzoli and the Baies area ! I had thought about half a day in Desenzano but not about going to Sirmione, but your suggestion is excellent ! I'll do it and post a lot of pictures of the area to thank you ! @ Viggen : hum that would probably be a full day in my planning since it's so far east, but it's tempting... I could also use that day to visit a place like Concordia Sagitaria (if there is much to see, which I'll have to check) or Cividade del Frioul. But it would probably mean skipping Parma, Piacenzia and Milano and taking the plane back from Bologna instead of from Bergamo (which, I must say, is possible for me too since I do have a direct flight from there to Brussels Charleroi)

Thanks. Indeed those monuments were already on my list (and my plans call for two days in Ravena since the city is so rich and I want to visit a small place some 17km from there where a museum is full of Villanovian artefacts). Any other suggestions ?

Hi everyone, I've been using some time in the hospital to begin planning a trip to northern Italy, about 2 weeks of travel using public transports (I've no driving licence) to see some interesting cities in northern Italy : - Bergamo (arrival) - Brescia - Verona - Vincenza (?) - Padova - Venezia - Ferrara (?) - Bologna - Ravena -- Verucchio - Parma - Piacenzia - Milano - Bergamo (departure) Do you know of any roman remains in those areas which could be interesting to see (or do you want me to take pictures of some places ?)

Congrat's to the winner ! I'm sorry I did not notice earlier I'd been nominated, some trips to the hospital (blood and guts don't mix well...) and insane hours at work means I did not come here in the last few days. So, once more, hourra to Melvadius and an even bigger cheer to UNRV team !

A friend of mine was, until this friday, working on a similar project for the British Museum. The progress of technologies are huge, but my friend also remembered me of the importance of a collaborative work on such topics, especially when metal studies are implied because nothing is more easily recycled than metals. So provenance studies always have their limitations and analysis results must always be paired with historical information and context information.

Their was a latine league that was slowly integrated by the Roman elite after being beaten by the roman army (I hesitate calling them a legion so early) in 493 B.C. The latine league had been created to defend the area around Alba Longua from the Etruscan forces, and fought the romans before becoming allied to the young republic. Then in the 4th century they went back to war against each other, amongst other for loot issues. Following that war the latin cities were called municipium and coloniae were founded in their midst, the latins becoming essentially second class roman citizens. The league was dissolved in 338 B.C. The Romans had begun to expend.

Most city states had citizen warriors who held weapons in training and in war but did not spend their life training or warring. Sparta, on the other hand, needed to always train it's citizen because they had too many hilote (slave-like population of vainquished neighbors) to hold under their fist. So they had more unit cohesion and better endurence on the battle field and did indeed win a lot of fights, even in numerical inferiority. Of course they could lose some battles, because they were a tad too conventionnal and could be surprised in bad positions or by new tactics, and they could also loose because they had too much wine before the battle (thus a very famous defeat that sealed their fate, crushed by the Thebans). Athenians were also know as a good army and an even better navy, with a ship borne infantry (epibates) of superior quality. Marathon and Salamine are testimonies to this fact, but other fights against the greeks (instead of the barbarians) are also good proofs of the Athenians value : simply look at the battle of Pylos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pylos) or at the battle of Idomene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Idomene) for an exemple. The Thebans had their high and their low, but were at their best in the 4th century BC when they destroyed the power of Sparta, before falling to the Macedonian later in the century (and before being destroyed by Alexander the Great). One of the characteristics of Thebe was it's ready access to Thessalian cavalry (the land made horse breeding difficult outside of the plains of Thessaly). They also had the famous Sacred Band of 300 warriors who atteined the peak of their glory under Epamimondas, the general who beat Sparta. The Macedonian would also be the last great continental Greeks to have a great army, but they were not "true" Greeks. In Magna Graecia (southern Italy and Sicily) the power of Syracusae was the greatest, and they had powerfull armies that often clashed with great success against the Carthaginian in the 5th and 4th century BC. Colony of Sparta, Syracusae was a powerfull city which was also able to fight of an Athenian invasion force. Does that provide you with more informations on the Greeks ?

same here, I was a bit surprised since it came less than half a day after my last post On another topic entierly, the book review should be ready this week-end for your criticisms.

Another good reason to visit Ibiza. 4th century BC ? I'm a bit skeptical there. From what I remember Ibiza was a carthaginian base until the end of the first punic war, in the 3rd century BC...

I think your best bet to find a compilation of Fabius Pictor's fragments would be to get your hands on a copy of the PHI cd rom (cf. http://www.libraries.iub.edu/index.php?pag...ourceId=1904361 ) or a book collecting fragments of ancient roman historians. I don't have my old courses book in my new flat yet so I can't provide you with better directions.