P.Clodius

True, but its the old question/argument. Where is the money going that IS raised?

Doh!!

I find most things (Rome) outside PBS tend to get sensationalized, THC and NAT Geo in particular.

Having said that Caldrail, the death sentence was carried out relatively rarely.

No, a failed suicide attempt followed by self disembowelment will suffice. muuhahahahaha!

No kidding, what else can be said? I must admit I find these comments somewhat disturbing coming from what I consider to be two 'core' members. And I certainly don't mean that in a critical way, but in a developmental way. I guess it underscores to some extent what interests us the most about Roman history and the adage Each to his own springs to mind. However, for me and I'm sure others, the late republic is the meat and potatos of Roman history. I know there is MUCH more to Rome than Caesar/late Republic, but I would council there is also much more to Caesar/late Rebublic also. I thought I knew everything there was to know about the subject, but to-ing and fro-ing with Cato has been fun yes, frustrating at times, but above all challenging and I have thoroughly enjoyed the thought provoking experience and I hope it continues. Because of these 'idiological' clashes I am now backlogged in books, books that I cannot wait to delve into. I have learned and re-learned and I for one look forward to the next 'clash'!

Auctoritas?

Has the will been read prior to you trial?

I think describing Caesar's Rome to the above is somewhat of a stretch don't you?

OK, so I propose we conduct our own trial in these forums. For judges I propose PP and Ursus. Prosecution Germanicus, defense Cato. And I'll be the rowdy mob, listening outside the door as tribunes tell me what's being said. Muuhahaha. Cato may wish to issue peremptory challenges against the judges and any witnesses. Who's volunteering for the jury?

OK, first off. They murdered a lawfully appointed official. What is the punishment for this? Secondly, Caesar was given the title of Pater Patrae, implying he held the same powers over every roman citizen as did the head of the family. The punishment for the murder of a head of the family was I believe having your legs broken, then being sown into a sack with a cock, a snake, and a dog, then thrown into the Tiber. Since none of these individuals denied,and even flaunted their crime, eyewitnesses saw them do it, why bother with a trial? The Roman people DEMAND retribution for their beloved benefactor. If justice is not sought or given, be prepared to face the consequences!

NO TRIAL. Immediate proscription. Cato was already dead, did you dig him up? For Brutus and Cassius, may I recommend nailing their nuts to their knee caps and making them goosestep to the cross!

I've seen people do weirder things. Though you don't see that at the typical town square no... So when it's said that the 'Young Wives do not avoid their (the Luperci) strokes" what exactly is meant? Are the Luprici smacking them with the thongs or something else... Yes, young females would try to get themselves hit by the thongs. It was a fertlity ritual, and supposedly being hit by one of the thongs meant you would have many useful children.

Caveman majoring in Neanderthal.

But why would he do that if Hannibal had crushed Rome. Generally you don't fix what isn't broke. Quite simply to replenish his arms and to equip 'inferior' warriors with better weapons. Hannibal incedentally fully appreciated roman arms and tactics, he exploited their strengths and used them against them. One of these strengths was the roman tendency to stand and fight no matter what. Do you honestly think the encircled formations at Cannae could not have broken out with a concerted effort? No, they would stand, fight and attain victory, or die in the process of trying. Hannibal knew this and exploited it.

An observation bordering on genius. Care to elaborate?

Rome wasn't "Hellenized" until Marcellus' capture of Syracuse during the second punic war, even then it would have been a gradual process. Cato the Elder spokeout against hellenization and this would have been after his tenure as censor. I'm guestimating 170's-160'sBC is when hellenization started making a "dent".

I think this practice had died out during the periods of my interests, 220's BC to 80'sAD

Dodge's Hannibal mentions Hannibal equiping his troops and training them to fight in the Roman style after Trasimene.

Aside from eating unusual stuff, the preverbial Badger's Earlobes and Wolf's Nipple Chips. What practices do you find most unusual from your studies? For me it would be the plucking of body hair, including pubic.

I'm right, Cato is wrong! Muuhahahaha

Actually it wasn't just Anthony that fled Rome there was another Caesarian tribune called Gaius Curio who fled with him too. As opposed to the 'horrors' perpectual corruption and governmental ineptitude?

To the victor belong the spoils. Certainly they should upkeep this treasure, but it is their responsibility to do so not ours.

Indeed, the Carthaginian "senate" was very similar to that of the romans. Makes you wonder on the level of pre-republican interaction.

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