P.Clodius

I may be wrong, but I think he was the last republican general to decimate a legion too.

That's a good book MPC, been a couple of years since I read it but now that I know you're reading it I must re-read...Muhahahahaha

Vestal got buried alive..Traitors, or those convicyed of treasonous crimes were dragged to the Tarpaian rock with a hook through the jaw or neck and thrown off the rock.

FF all the way...Been using it since its inception..IE is for people who need to be spoonfed and 6 months later, "What're all these windows that keep popping up?"

So in essence you're saying that Danelaw, a massive piece of land stretching approximately from South Yorkshire to Northumbria was previously unoccupied?

"Right lads, watch me steer around this baby!" Captain of the Titanic

I've always found the wording of this declaration to be awesome, grave, and powerful. That aside, if it is read thoroughly, and with a knowlege of events prior to, it can serve as a window. What do you get from this document? Try to be as neutral as you can. "Marcus Lepidus, Marcus Antonius, and Octavius Caesar, chosen by the people to set in order and regulate the republic, do declare that, had not perfidious traitors begged for mercy and when they obtained it become the enemies of their benefactors and conspired against them, neither would Gaius Caesar have been slain by those whom he saved by his clemency after capturing them in war, whom he admitted to his friendship and upon whom he heaped offices, honours, and gifts; nor should we have been compelled to use this wide-spread severity against those who have insulted us and declared us public enemies. Now, seeing that the malice of those who have conspired against us and by whose hands Gaius Caesar suffered, cannot be mollified by kindness, we prefer to anticipate our enemies rather than suffer at their hands. Let no one who sees what both Caesar and ourselves have suffered consider our action unjust, cruel, or immoderate. Although Caesar was clothed with supreme power, although he was pontifex maximus, although he had overthrown and added to our sway the nations most formidable to the Romans, although he was the first man to attempt the untried sea beyond the pillars of Hercules and was the discoverer of a country hitherto unknown to the Romans, this man was slain in the midst of the senate-house, which is designated as sacred, under the eyes of the gods, with twenty-three dastardly wounds, by men whom he had taken prisoners in war and spared, while some of them he had named as co-heirs of his wealth. After this execrable crime, instead of arresting the guilty wretches, the rest sent them forth as commanders and governors, in which capacity they seized upon the public money, with which they are collecting an army against us and are seeking reinforcements from barbarians ever hostile to Roman rule. Cities subject to Rome that would not obey them they have burned, or ravaged, or levelled to the ground; other cities they have forced by terror to bear arms against the country and against us. "Some of them we have punished already; and by the aid of divine providence you shall presently see the rest punished. Although the chief part of this work has been finished by us or is well under control, namely the settlement of Spain and Gaul as well as matters here in Italy, one task still remains, and that is to march against Caesar's assassins beyond the sea. On the eve of undertaking this foreign war for you, we do not consider it safe, either for you or for us, to leave other enemies behind to take advantage of our absence and watch for opportunities during the war; nor again do we think that there should be delay on their account, but that we ought rather to sweep them out of our pathway, once for all, seeing that they began the war against us when they voted us and the armies under us public enemies. "What vast numbers of citizens have they, on their part, doomed to destruction with us, disregarding the vengeance of the gods and the reprobation of mankind! We shall not deal harshly with any multitude of men, nor shall we count as enemies all who have opposed us or plotted against us, or those distinguished for their riches merely, their abundance, or their high position; nor shall we slay as many as another man who held the supreme power before us, when he, too, was regulating the commonwealth in civil convulsions, and whom you named the Fortunate on account of his success; and yet necessarily three persons will have more enemies than one. We shall take vengeance only on the worst and most guilty. This we shall do for your interest no less than for our own, for while we keep up our conflicts you will all be involved necessarily in great dangers, and it is necessary for us also to do something to quiet the army, which has been insulted, irritated, and decreed a public enemy by our common foes. Although we might arrest on the spot whomsoever we had determined on, we prefer rather to proscribe rather than seize them unawares; and this, too, on your account, so that it may not be in the power of enraged soldiers to exceed their orders against persons not responsible, but that they may be restricted to a certain number designated by name, and spare the others according to order. "So be it then! Let no one harbour any one of those whose names are hereto appended, or conceal them, or send them away, or be corrupted by their money. Whoever shall be detected in saving, or aiding, or conniving with them we will put on the list of the proscribed without allowing any excuse or pardon. Let those who kill the proscribed bring us their heads and receive the following rewards: to a free man 25,000 Attic drachmas per head; to a slave his freedom and 10,000 Attic drachmas and his master's right of citizenship. Informers shall receive the same rewards. In order that they may remain unknown the names of those who receive the rewards shall not be inscribed in our registers."

You're an ignorant man..!

Exactly...So chillout people

I went for There is a lot of hysteria about nothing at all in the world today. Everyone needs to lighten up!

Parthia And your point is? Wikipedia isn't worth didddly-squat as a reference, either, thank you. The map shown hardly makes Pakistan central to ancient Pathia either. Phil [Discussion of the bomb-plot removed on second thought!!] Phil More Parthia

Parthia

It was Publius Claudius Pulcher. His sister once said something like "Its a shame my brother's not still in charge!" in reference to over crowding, implying that if he were the crowds wouldn't be so dense due to campaign losses.

Thank god a Crassus was not in charge!!

They're trying to blowup planes midflight.

HAHAHAHA

BROWSE

So you're saying the jews 'invented' monotheism?

He acted alone...Why would Caesar profit from such an episode this early in the triumvirate? Pompey had recently become his son in law, it makes NO sense, the triumvirs were 'tight' at this stage of the game. Clodius is also unlikely as he was still a pat, it would be 5 or more years before he tested his metal against Pompey. Vettius had a history of wild accusations...!

Foreign? If you count yourself as english then you hadn't even arrived in Britain at that time and there was no England!

I'm surprised Pertinax isn't all over that recipe...I believe it was him that did a genuine roman cookout onetime!!

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One has to remember that throughout all the intrigues of Seutonius, et al. the day to day administration of Rome and the empire was relatively smooth and efficient.

Cuba for the Cubans..Universal health care, education, no starvation..Comunism doesn't work? I agree that it doesn't but Fidel's brand HAS worked for Cuba..They haven't produced Nobel prize winners, invented anything substantial to my knowlege but the 3 things I've listed aren't worth it for those that have it? The likelyhood they would have them without Castro is slim. For the most part totalitarianism is gay, yes MPC I'm no fan of it!