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Note that a Greek forum has been added to Latin speakers, if anyone out there knows Greek and wants to do something with it, the Geek part of Latin speakers will certaily be filled with my questions, if not thousands of other questions from fellow Greeks. Thanks for anything you can contribute in advance.

I won't pretend to be any kind of expert on Roman history, but I remember reading somewhere that the Goths came from Scandinavia, and the Romans certainly shed blood with Goths, but I don't know how much you would consider Goths 'Norse'. To me they're all the same, I cherish the stereotypical view of the barbarians who drank too much, loved violence and scorned everything beautiful...to me they're all the same.

Thanks for joinging up! We can certainly help, if all else fails, I know Latin so I can answer all your grammar questions...mostly

I knew I wouldn't get away with that! Thanks, Gaius. Fortunately my Latin grammar is better than my English. For the sake of argument, most of the history books I've read seem to take the tale of the kings as myths, and archaeology finds very few Etruscan artifacts in Latium. I'm not saying that this says that the Etruscans were never in Rome, I'm just laying out the facts I've been able to unearth. If some one had something a bit more persuasive... P.S. Ha! caught a spelling mistake. That was for you, Gaius.

Were sorry about your picture. I'll get my more technologically inclined partner on the job as soon as possible, quaestor. However, and I've probably mentioned this before, when it comes to computers I'm about as good as the Romans I like to study. Now siege craft... We really need everybody we can get at this point, FVC. I know speaking Latin is hard, but I'm sure it will help your Cicero translations. After all, practice makes perfect.

Thanks for the advise! (I hate school with a sleepy passion)

Just thought I would throw the question out, did the Etruscans occupy Rome at one time or another early on? Oops, just noticed the misspelling of Etruscans, sorry about that. I don't know how to change it.

Sorry about that , in my defense it was a little late when I wrote that and I was only half conscious, but even when I am awake, I'm a pretty terrible speller. Tell me if you catch anything else, it helps me. By the way, thanks for the Saturnalia present, my understanding of the whole result clause thing is still a bit foggy, but it's getting better.

I like the early republic. Everyone was so zealous about the good of the state and so on and so forth. Once you step past the punic wars people become alot more self centered. Mabey I'm just talking nonsense, but that's the generally how I see things from what I've read.

The site is made for people learning the language. This is only my second year also.

I couldn't find any Latin constructions like this, the Romans seemed to clump it all together into purpose clauses. Mabey natural result is like a result clause in Latin and actual result is like the regular purpose clause, but that's just a theory I have. If anyone has anything to say about memorizing the dative plural of the third declension I could use that too, I'm utterly and completely confused now.

Numa Pompilius has just created a UNRV type forum just for Latin. I like it and it will be tremendously useful and fun for anybody learning Latin. For those who have already learned Latin it is a great way to keep the language alive and keep the declensions in your head. here is the adress: http://s11.invisionfree.com/LatinSpeakers/index.php By the way, the situation at Latin speakers is pretty sad right now, we've got two members and we're both admins!

Thanks for protecting me from the corruption of FVC, Octavius. Although I want to learn modern Greek eventually, I'm already confused enough learning ancient greek. If anyone knows anything about the result clauses question above, please tell me! It's a real obstacle and the only companion I have is a 50 year old greek text book entitled a new introduction to greek

Sole cupivi dicere linguam Latinam cognotam a viris feminisque aliis qui linguam anglicam non sciant. Multine multaeque in Italia Latinam intelligunt? Quoque non dico in Latina in ludo, lego et scribo. Sed tempto uti Latina quam saepissime possum, amo linguam.

O.K., that's all cleared up. Thanks!

Thanks to one and all! I agree with you Octavius about the Greek curse stuff...mabey in a year or two. I'm taking Greek during my lunch period, so it's really me tormenting myself, but as much as I complain about it there is a strange glory in being able to say something no one else in the school will understand under one's breath from time to time. For starters could any one tell me the difference between actual and natural result--I couldn't find the answer on any web-sites and text book definitions are harder to translate into regular english than the Greek itself! P.S. I'm sure your not a geek Kosmo, if that's what you meant.

No worries, didn't know who you were talking about in the first place, but it was a great laugh anyway. Gotta love the emoticons I'm still looking for Greeks by the way, so if you happen to see one, let me know.

Happy joy joy! This says that it can be either -e or -i, I guess I'll go with that for now. Thanks!

Now that is humor! sorry but being the classics nerd I am, I don't know what a PM is...but I am interested.

We can always count on the great Gaius Octavius for web links, if I could say thanks in Greek, I would. Okay, never mind, my parnets wouldn't let me register for any online couses, but thanks anyway. Mabey in a year or two... In the mean time I still need Greeks!

Learning...no suffering ancient Greek, need help. :blowup: Anyone who has been enlightened by the gods and had any success with language, hear my anguished cries of pain! I'm going mostly by the text book, with little help from actual people and those brave souls who try to help me have fading memories and usually succeed in confusing me more than the text book, and that's saying something. For now all I need is someone to tell me the difference between an actual result clause and a natural result clause. I know Latin, so drawing parallels with that is always good for me. Thanks!

O gaudium laetitiaque, res mea venit ab mortuis! Scio id videri frumentosius [comparative of corny- for some reason I couldn't find that word in any of my dictionaries], sed iam laetus sum adventu suo. Cupivi quaerere cur imperium Byzanti viveret per oppugnationes barbaras ubi imperium Romanum moriretur ob barbaros.

If you give me Latin I can usually translate it if I sit down with it long enough, and I'm here if you have any questions, but usually if you drop a question on this subforum it gets answered pretty fast. When I stumble over Latin grammar, I just leave my questions here.

:notworthy: Te, Numam Pompilium, laudo. Foro huic habenda pagina est in qua Latina dicitur. Noli permittere ei moriri! Iam, ob te, viri feminaeque ab partibus omnibus terrae possunt convenire et dicere in Latina de rebus Romanis, et aliis. Fortissan, si pagina magna fit, subforum fiet. Latin non potentissima lingua est, et in partibus quibusdam, moritur. Quod facis dat vitam linguae antiquissimae honorae huic. P.S. In qua lingua dicitis? Lingua antiqua Romana [classical Latin] aut Latina ecclesiae [Church Latin]?

I've looked in just about every dusty Latin text book I can find trying to unearth the regular third declension locative, but results have been conflicting. Some say it is an -i ending , others an -e, and still others say that both are used. I know that in the broad scheme of things no one really cares, but being who I am, I'm not going to get a good night's sleep without an answer. If there is anyone out there who can help me... :frusty: