Klingan

Here's a link to the passage (passage 435-437, p. 172-172 in this edition).

I will have to place myself, as Caldrail did, in the corner of ignorance of the subject but I have some images you might be interested in: Mosaic from the market at Ostia. Mosaic from the market at Ostia. A clay ship model from Sparta. The graffito from Casa della Nave Europa in Pompeii.

Happy birthday!

Quite cool! I wish I could afford that.

I could recommend a lot of different things, all depending on a couple of factors. How interested are you in Roman history? Do you enjoy fine art? Have you been to Rome before? How familiar are you with Roman history and architecture?

That has actually been done on a very small scale by NOVA and Several authorities were involved (Yeg

The 31st of December is one hell oh a birthday! I hope you're having a great time Doc!

I also lag behind, but God Jul everyone!

My Latin isn't very good, and I may very well get corrected for this, but I believe that it should be Cor Veritas (nom sing + nom sing), if anything. Cordis (gen sing) veritas (nom sing) would probably mean The truth of the heart. Compare Pompeius Magnus (nom sing + nom sing) i.e. Pompey the great vs. Pompei Magnus (gen sing + nom sing) i.e. the greatness of Pompey. I would, however, recommend that you talk to someone who's Latin is better than mine, preferably a local PhD, I know a couple of good ones in Sweden if you need help.

Well, the modern reconstruction is impressive, but not undisputed.

The device itself. The other side. One side of the reconstruction by Derek de Solla Price. The other side of the reconstruction. I also managed to find some quotes concerning devices such as this one:

Exactly - I read it to avoid this kind of stuff.

I took a couple of (quite crappy) pictures of the mechanism earlier this fall, I could upload them if there's any interest.

We're still relying heavily on Beloch's calculatiosn from the 19th century, where he concludes that a low count would give somewhere around 50-60 million inhabitants. A generally more accepted number today (which is nothing but a small raise of B's proposed number) is 60-70 million. This is however a heavily debated and difficult subject.

I actually find it very well working (except for the times when the site is slow/down), especially the right hand side menu, although it could be made even smaller unless you actually use it (the left side one could possibly be removed).

This is a little later (ca 111-112 AD, Bithynia), but it might still interest you: X. 19 To the emperor Trajan I beg your determination, Sir, on a point I am exceedingly doubtful about: it is whether I should place the public slaves as sentries round the prisons of the several cities in this province (as has been hitherto the practice) or employ a party of soldiers for that purpose? On the one hand, I am afraid the public slaves will not attend this duty with the fidelity they ought; and on the other, that it will engage too large a body of the soldiery. In the meanwhile I have joined a few of the latter with the former. I am apprehensive, however, there may be some danger that this method will occasion a general neglect of duty, as it will afford them a mutual opportunity of throwing the blame upon each other. X.20 Trajan to Pliny There is no occasion, my dearest Secundus, to draw off any soldiers in order to guard the prisons. Let us rather persevere in the ancient customs observed in this province, of employing the public slaves for that purpose; and the fidelity with which they shall execute their duty will depend much upon your care and strict discipline. It is greatly to be feared, as you observe, if the soldiers should be mixed with the public slaves, they will mutually trust to each other, and by that means grow so much the more negligent. But my principal objection is that as few soldiers as possible should be withdrawn from their standard. Translated by W. Melmoth

Wahhh! I need to go to Rome. Now.

I'm really tempted to use internet slang now (i.e. lol). I have always read that the remains found in this house came from donkeys and, to be honest, this was the kind of animal used to "power" mills (found in room 5 of this house). Thanks for the link thou!

Yeah, it's, of course, not to be considered serious; I still cannot but wonder how they made the Pompeii connection, I really wish that they had some sort of reference concerning that.

Ok, fair enough, this is probably one of the strangest things I've read lately...Or ever. Ozzy Osbourne claims that his gene sequencing shows that his ancestors survived the eruption of 79 AD. I'm not quite sure how he found out thou... anyway: English "They also revealed he was related to Romans who died in Pompeii when the volcano Vesuvius erupted almost 2,000 years ago." German (Longer) "In seinem Erbgut fanden die Forscher denn auch interessante Merkmale, mit denen man

Is that the painting where a Roman (Barbarian? I can't remember) woman is dressed like a Victorian aristocrat? Anyway, my user name derives, just as Ursus, from my last name - it's simply a short version of Klingborg (Klingan also just so happen to mean the blade in Swedish).

You mean like this: http://www.pompeiiinpictures.com? You need the http:// at the start. Also, what version of Internet Explorer are you running? It's awkward with IE6. Better with IE8. Thanks for the reply. It seems as if something was just messing up last night, it's working again now (I'm using Chrome btw).

Do you have any reference's (modern studies) to prove that it has changed (I'm not doubting you, I'm just cautious when dealing with the classical climate)? I've read in several modern works that it was more or less the same as today (Garbrecht 1987, 18; Hodge 2001, 4 (however adding that it might have been considerably different at specific localities); Murphy 2006, 160, who mentions two recent investigations claiming that the climate has not changed very much). I would agree, in general, North Africa seems to have had a quite different climate. Sounds like good sources. I should probably also take a look at Pliny the Elder. Damn it, we don't have any ice cores here in Sweden do we? It's not THAT far up north Herodotus could perhaps be useful here and perhaps Linear B tablets.

You can find it at Pompeii in Pictures (www.pompeiiinpictures.com). ps. does anyone know why I can't post links?

Well, I didn't really want to go completely off topic in this thread so I figured that a new post would be useful. Anyway, what is your opinion on the climate during the classical period? Do you think that it was any different, and then how and why? What sources do you take into account?