Rameses the Great

Turks? I thought there were from the Caucasus.

Thanks lol, I do like soft rock but that's just about it. People say you can't really like hip hop and rock but I don't know, it seems not to be so for Klingan.

I know Carthage was founded by the Phoenicians, but I can't help to notice a lot of the architecture, infrastructure are Greco-Roman. The Phoenicians were obvioulsy an Orientalist culture but it seems they found the Western styles as a more effective means of building a city. What was the whole deal there?

So what kind of music do you guys like to listen to? I like some rock, not all, and the type of rock varies do greatly. Hip hop is my personal favorite, I can easily get into the rhythm and I really do believe there is meaning behind the lyrics. Heavy metal I can't STAND any satanic music that incurs me to only smash and not think for myself is depressing, sorry ACDC/Led Zeppelin. Next to hip hop I like to listen to classic, what a contrast right, don't like Beethoven but Mozart is masterful and some classic songs help to mellow me out and focus. Country is kind of weird to me, I guess because I'm not an American but it really is confined no contrast. So how about you guys?

Nader's taking it all this year! NADER, NADER, NADER!

Oh no, I'm forgetting everything happy birthday Doc!

Present! And GO, if we beat the Jags and go up to New England just you wait cause I've got something planned for you. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! If the rabbit didn't stop to.... Listen, you delinquent, is the Klingon going to be able to see the Super Bowl UP there in Sweden? They did send it a few years back live. The problem was kinda that it was sent 3 am or something And I'm not really used to the American advertisement culture If the game says it starts at 8 here in America, it'll actually start at 10 lol. The commercials are sometimes fun, but way too time consuming. By the time the game starts and ends it's usually 4 hours and a half, far too long. Hey in the World Cup there was 90 minutes plus stoppage time and it STILL didn't take that long; considering the World Cup dwarfs the Superbowl in advertisements and viewership.

Present! And GO, if we beat the Jags and go up to New England just you wait cause I've got something planned for you. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! If the rabbit didn't stop to.... Listen, you delinquent, is the Klingon going to be able to see the Super Bowl UP there in Sweden? I'm not sure, I remember NFL Europe wasn't very popular so for an NFL game in America to be broadcast there would be rare. He could listen to it on the radio, if he's really interested or buy a satelite.

Present! And GO, if we beat the Jags and go up to New England just you wait cause I've got something planned for you.

Kola sena wento toyabeen!

(Foreigner visits ancient Greece in Athens and Sparta.) Athenian: Those Spartans throw deformed babies off cliffs! Spartan: Don't listen to those Athenian boy-lovers! I can see it, a bit unfriendly but I can see it.

R.I.P. Cows/dinner.

Some did and I guess some did not. They usually had a circular shield, as most Greeks did, and I believe strapped it to their arm opposite the spear. The guys should get to you soon on that.

Looking forward to it! Although, the skepticism I hold over Troy is more of a geographical one rather than a practical one. They're starting to say that Troy was located in Eastern Turkey and most people envisioned it being right next door to Greece across the Hellespont. I don't think the Greeks would've had it in them to cross all the way across Asia Minor and atttack a secular nation state who's walls are 15 feet thick.

Peace in the Middle East? A mere Western dream I suppose. Middle East hatred stems from thousands and thousands of years of disputes over territory and redemption. This isn't like Pakistani and Indian conflicts that lasted 1300 years following Islam coming to the South Asian subcontinent or the 500 years that Britain and France have been at war, this is 3 thousand years of hatred between civilizations. We'll be fighting until the day the world ends, that's just the way it is. It's nothing new, it was only the world's business when they saw the atrocities happening in the Middle East but we've been doing this for 3 thousand years!

Well as an Egyptian, Thanksgiving doesn

Good job Ursus! The Egyptians did know there was a world out there other than Egypt and the Nile but preferred to stay isolated until the New Kingdom arose. They were peaceful and preferred trade rather than war to solve issues in their nation. Egypt's imperialist ambitions were only to revive Egypt, which was at that time a shadow of its former self, into a power. Battles such as Meggido and Kadesh are also reminders that even though Egypt may be a peaceful nation, it will also crush opposition if need be. Great summary overall Ursus!

Vini, Vidi, Vici. And that's it!

Happy Birthday Pertinax!

I've also heard that in times of peace and properity Carthaginians would instead of sacrificing children, sacrifice criminals and hostages and returned to sacrificing their own children only when they felt the gods 'turned on them.' Interesting thought.

Child sacrifice has always been a Semitic practice which was a well documented Syrian and Phoenician practice. It is more than likely they caried it over into North Africa and continued the practice there.

Well, they're not as large and bulky as I believed but then again Punic warships were meant to ram and destroy the ship with one blow so it doesen't come as much of a surprise.

You're right even if the Egyptian army marched on Istanbul througout history it has proven VERY easy to defend. And I think Mehmet was appointed by the sultan to be the wali of Egpyt since the British had since expelled the French from Egypt.

Egypt never planned on controlling Greece. At that time the Ottomans were backwards and were being humiliated by the Greek navy and land forces so they asked for Egypt's help. The sultan and Muhammad Ali brokered a deal that would give Egypt control of Syria if he helped the Ottomans in the war. The Egyptians crushed both the Greek army and navy which led to the fantacized Greek War of Independence which won the sympathies of the European Powers. Their combined fleet defeated the Ottoman/Egyptian fleet at the Battle of Navarino since the Ottomans and Egyptian only had a few iron clads between then whilst the Europeans had all iron clads. This was not because he took Syria but because he planned to take Istanbul. After the Ottoman sultan renegged on the agreement, Muhammad Ali Pasha decided to take Sryia by force. He then defeated them at the Battle of Nizib and then again at the Battle of Ridnayeh despite the Ottoman's superior numbers and the Prussian coalition under Van Moltke. This left the Ottoman capital undefended so they turned to their traditional ally Russia for help in order to stop Egypt. They held a peace conference in France stating that Egypt would stop it's agression and ambition and in turn would receive Syria. Muhammad Ali reluctantly signed seeing as he had no choice. Ironically though, Russia then tried to take down the Ottomans in the Crimean War... It wasn't forced labor he modernized and industrialized along French lines. Egypt was indebted to the European power but their economy was one of the best in the world at that time. Egypt did industrialize their cotton plantations that's why they were top in cotton exports. With the American Civil War and with European demand for cotton as war loomed in Europe Egypt's economy was booming. The British occupation was because the Egyptian civil war threatened Britain's economy. As rebels were taking over the nation Britain was drawn into the war on the side of the Khedive which led to Egypt's weakness and its defeat at Tell El Kebir. Had Egypt been united and planned to pay back it's debt then perhaps they wouldn't have been in that position, remember Egypt did defeat the British in the first Anglo-Egyptian War. Still though with French interest in the Suez Canal and England's Indian colony I don't think that England wasn't going to make another attempt to take Egypt. I actually have your topic about Egypt saved on my desktop on a word document. lol. I'm planning on opening one about Egypt's making of the first empire in history and think that the New Kingdom would be a good topic. I'll start one and I certainly hope you join in because you probably know the most about Ancient Egypt on this forum.

You served a fine platter for Kosmo! He knows a lot and should reply in due time his knowledge about Dacia is immense.