Gaius Octavius

OK!, Tonto, you got me but good!

More Sagalassos: http://www.archaeology.org/interactive/sagalassos/ More Pics: http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?automo...si&img=1933

Well, G-Man it's still your turn.

Caracala? No! Hadrian!

"QUOTE(ASCLEPIADES @ Sep 20 2007, 04:37 PM) Syntax is far less a problem with synthetic languages, like Latin. An example may be in order: Here comes Caius Suetonius Tranquillus, De Vita XII Caesarum, Divus Iulius, Ch. XXXIII, sec. I: Alea iacta est (the most famous transcription) Iacta alea est (what you actually find in the primary source) Alea est iacta Est iacta alea Iacta est alea Est iacta alea Most Latin speakers would get the right idea with any choice" ----0---- I am going to London. To London, I am going. London, I am going to. Going to London, I am. I, to London am going. Kemo Sabe

G-Man, definitely migraines. I always prescribe leeches on the ears and lots of whiskey.

MPC: Do the originals of Cicero's letters (e.g., to Atticus) and speeches actually exist or are they medieval copies?

Cato? P.S. If not, I'm going to blow the whistle!

How about cloth?

Let me try to explain myself. By class or wealth, Abe Lincoln and Bill Clinton might have been plebes or my 'dirt' farmers. What would their chances have been to become consuls without 'patronage'?

Was this through patronage or merit? How would a dirt farmer get the education to fill these posts?

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Nice work Dr. A.D.

So is the Historia Augustae, and even though thats supposed to be a history book it isn't exactly trustworthy is it? The bible on the hand, as I've mentioned, is propaganda. [Do you mean a lie?] It exists to provide support for christian dogma, [Are you sure that you don't have it backwards here?] not to provide historians with accurate data, [is the Bible a history book or one on religion?] although it must be said that christians do prefer people to see it that way. Of course they do. If the bible is given that sort of credibility then so does their religion. Look at what happens. In the case of a book like the Historia Augustae, we do indeed quote from it, yet researchers check what they can and draw attention to its inconsistencies. The bible on the other hand is treated as a source that is in some way irrefutable, [for religious purposes] and everyone spends their time trying to prove it correct. Thats a big difference, and I think the inconsistencies of the bible story do need to be highlighted, or the historians quoting from it are not really doing their job properly. [is this within the province of historians or theologians? Would one allow a historian to draw medical conclusions?] Ok - The New Testament. We're told that Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem for the purposes of a census. Yet the records of the time don't mention one. [Are you using the same calendar as the authors? At the battle of Austerlitz(?), the Russians arrived 11 days late because they and the Austrians used different calendars.] Mary is supposed to have a virgin birth. Thats fiction I'm afraid. [How do you 'know' this?] That element is there to give a purity to young Jesus that ordinary mortals don't have, accentuated by the dubious tale of star that moved in the heavens and led three oriental kings to the stable. [The Chinese record a bright star at that time.] All very cute, but how many researchers have wasted their time trying to search for evidence of astrnomical phenomena of the period? And haven't found any? In fact, if the tale of virgin birth has some reality then Mary is a very guilty woman indeed. [A conclusion without any premises or 'facts'.] Can you see how the christian story is embellished and romanticised to make the easily impressed person think that something special happened? Thats the whole point of the story. It isn't to provide a true story, its to create the illusion that Jesus was indeed a son of god. [You seem to admit that God exists here. If God exists, then nothing (miracles) is impossible for Him.] Now if that story begins in such a way, how can you be sure that the rest of the story isn't as distorted? Notice also the most glaring inconsistency of all. In the Old Testament (basically the existing judaic half) we are given the Ten Commandments - the rules by which believers in God must live. One states quite clearly that only God must be worshipped. Yet the tale of Jesus in the christian second hald is all about worship [All about worship and not about history?] - it illustrates the noble humility of this son of god, how he refuses the devils offer, of how he cures ills and feeds the poor out of nowhere - and look what happens - We know see Jesus worshipped in place of god, [but, Jesus IS God according to Christians.] not to mention the virgin mary or any others of the supporting cast. [Neither the Virgin Mary nor the 'supporting cast' are 'worshipped' by Christians.] The bible is the basis of a personality cult (a successful one it might be said), equivalent to Mein Kampf or those little coloured books so beloved of communist dictators. [Would you hold the same for a favorable biography of A. Lincoln?] Now that view is going to offend some people. I understand that, yet you must also understand that christianity is not blameless. Wars have been fought over which version of the bible should be read. People have been burned at the stake because religious leaders don't like alternative opinions, nor the scientific revelations that cast doubt on the traditional christian teaching. We see people exploited as cash cows by charismatic fakers - and thats something thats been true of christianity since the very beginning. [No problem here, but is this the fault of men or the Book?] Simply stating that we should not dismiss the bible because some researchers have quoted from it isn't a good arguement - it suggests that you don't think for yourself and merely accept that some with letters after their name can do no wrong or automatically know better than you. [Couldn't the same be said of you?] They might (and often do!), but then I'm not dismissing the bible - I'm simply pointing out that its a romanticised story for propaganda purposes, and whilst it is based on historical events, it should be viewed with a lot more suspicion than many researchers give it. [Again, you have concluded without offering the proof you demand of believers.] Are you stating that Christianity is a 2000 year old conspiracy? I hope that you understand that I am not taking a side here and am not trying to be an apologist for Christianity. I hope that I have shown that you have very weak arguments, if not fallacious ones. The Bible was written (guided by the Hand of God according to believers), for the people of the time, using the nuance of the time. The translations may have been written according to the nuance of their periods. I wonder if a 'novel' written today and could be transported back in time and translated, would it be understood in the same sense as it is today?

Salve, GO! Maybe you were talking about this one. No, it wasn't that but it may help. The one I am thinking of had a link to a newspaper article about a recent survey.

OK! So who is up?

My Lady Sophia of the North: My Lord of the Weed's flotsam was off the mark. L_W was close. You may have it in #1 as your quacks may call it that. But since a certain party, who shall remain unnamed, Asclepiades, disfructed the proper sequence, I'll give you the answer. We, here in the Colonies, call it 'orthostatic hypotension'.

Oh! dear! What the god-Consul must endure! The Pater Arcanae wrote what he meant (properly ), and meant what he wrote!

Did the Vikings leave their print on art, architecture, engineering, etc., i.e. physical things? Is Danelaw connected to the Vikings? Somewhere on UNRV there was a post about a genetic survey of Brits to determine how much Viking blood is in modern Brits. I don't remember for sure, but it wasn't very much.

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These Bible thumping neo-con job artist turkeys really need a lot of hard work on their heads. Help me! One may destroy human embryos but not use them for stem cell research? When told that God is not mentioned in the Constitution, a block headed retard replied: "Wrongo! The date, Anno Domini!"

Two Natures; Three Persons. Theodosia in Ravenna?

The answer to your question, of course.

Tunis?