Gaius Octavius

Done with the permission of the contra party (Praebitorae). -----------------------------------------------------------000-------------------------------------------------------------------- QUOTE "Hey, My Lady: Actually, it's not very funny to me. These sub-morons drive me to distraction. Yeah, lets kill all the Jews! Even the doctors who are keeping me alive! Even my neighbors! The ones I joke with, and have lunch with. And then there was my Grand Aunt, who may have been Jewish. Liberini, an orphan, who I loved as much as my Mother. Just great! We can do without all that the Jewish people have contributed to mankind. General Eisenhower and President Truman had those beastly, inhuman murder camps filmed for posterity. On that account, Gen. Eisenhower wouldn't accept Adm. Doernitz' surrender. I have a lot of whiskey in me now, so I'm not going to hold back. (Somehow, I can no longer use the word 'Jews'. It seems so deprecatory to me.) That bastard, hitler, should have been strangled at birth. Kill people because of their religion, race, deformities or sexual proclivities? That bastard was a pervert of the worst kind. Some of my Jewish friend's parents served honorably in the German army of WWI. They were Germans and never deserved what those bastards did to them. I am often sorry to say that I am a Christian, when I read of pogroms and ghettos. We didn't mind borrowing Jewish peoples' money though. O! G_d, this is enough! Try to contribute to the 'Gold' blog." Response: "Hey I hope it did good to throw it all out. And of course you're right all the way, beeing a Habiruh myself I KNOW what you're talking about.(I don't use the term Jews. Even if the Habiruh are just a tinny little group) The man's apparant stupidety and bleatnant ignorance was more the reason why I laughed about him. From Nephele you might have heard that I happend to be a deaf mute a herritance that goes straith back to exactly those camps I have thus no love for Germans in general. My granny was one of twins and captured in Normandy I need not tell you explecit where she was brought to.... There are good Germans ofcourse (my dad would say "Lets hang them on NEW ropes!" If I am correct in the numbers about 12.500 Germans of Habiruh birth where decorated in W.W.1. We must learn to forgive is a sentence often spoken at us, but the essence of being a Habiruh is to "remmember" becourse THAT'S what the word believe means in Hebrew! It's hard to forgive if one (still!) see's the effects of what has been done in this dreadfull years by these dreadfull people. Even I (2d generation) must fear not to give birth to a girl for she (3th) could easely inherit from me what I have! Can I blame the young Germans of today? should I do onto them what I would not like done onto me? one would say no. I have however understood that many young Germans still hang on and even romantisaise that piece of history often even denouncing many things to have happend. This people we call the "forever yesterday's" there to be found in all kind off German forums and indeed in the I.R of wich I gave you a link (I thought you to be there chieff, remember?.) You should absolutly NOT be ashamed beeing a Christian, wasn't Michael Angelo one ore Mother Theressa? not to forget my own dad no,its not the Relegion that shames (ore should) people its the thing people make of it thinking they know what God wanted or mend! If youre heart is pure it matters nought what others do with that Religion for Adonai sees into yours and judges you for youre deeds disregarding the upinion of others. Adonai doesn't gamble! Greetings 'E" My Beautiful Lady: Would you please allow me to put our two notes above into my blog? I will only use you name if you allow me. Those bastards should NEVER be forgotten! Or FORGIVEN. My Beautiful Lady, stupidity and ignorance are not to be laughed at. It should be condemned eternally. Your friend, Tom Pleace do so ,I read the Blog and wrote a small piece to it. Sometimes things do just take some time with me. Those people won't be forgotten neither forgiven as we never fogave Pharao for holding us in Slavery or the Romans for bringing the Diasporra upon us. In a Thousand years we'll still memmorate those killed by the Germans and the name of Hitler will never vanish from oure memmory. The names of sibbelings of mine that died during my life time will never be forgotten nor the name of the one to blame the Nuhnt called Mengle! Last year we had the satifaction off seeing my uncle robbing the Mengle family of a large part of Joseph Mengle's herritage (wich he had invested into there buisness in 1945/46) Some,if late and far to less, iustice still can be found in this world but we have to fight for it and we can only fight the right way if we controlle oure feelings of hate and revenge how understandable they might be. Eich ffrind chi (chi =more abt less formal than "ce" ) Youre Friend 'E

I understand that the Carthaginians sailed down the west coast of Africa and may have set up trading posts. Are there any records of the Romans doing likewise?

I think that you are a dead man walking!

Please translate!

Heretic!

Tivoli - while I wasn't on duty in the Capital.

The article does say that it was found back in 2000. A radio spot said that the spine weighs 8 tons. The body was scavenged and found across a stream bed where it acted as a dam and collected other critters.

Librarian?

Affirmative! Trying to cotton up to Tattletale, are we?

The Augusta for PM!

Not to be solicitous of an answer from you, but where is it stated that Octavian's parents advised Augustus to renounce the adoption? Yes, I agree, the acolytes of the anti-Augustan party must answer this. Nicolaus, Suetonius, Appian and Paterculus. Cassius Dio didn't bother to mention it though. You can easily quote this in Nicolaus.

Haappy Birthday! Get smashed, etc.

They are not in the way here. Read the first few chapters of " A History of the Roman World - 753 to 146 BC, 4th edition, by H.H. Scullard". Tells quite a story.

Not to be solicitous of an answer from you, but where is it stated that Octavian's parents advised Augustus to renounce the adoption? Yes, I agree, the acolytes of the anti-Augustan party must answer this. Lord Bacchus, what is going on?

My Lovely Lady, how does this conform with your post in the Augustus Thread?

Brut' e' Bestia?

Aside from Nicolaus' effusive praise for young Octavian's charisma, what's the basis for thinking that Nicolaus has the chronology wrong? That it disagrees with 3 main sources (Cassius Dio, Appian and Suetonius). I don't know about Appian, but again I say, C.D. and S. are often discredited. That doesn't mean that they are wrong. I'll go with Nicolaus and the rest of mankind, and the rest of a glass of whisky, some of you have driven me to. I must be plotzed! MPC asks a pro Caesar/Augustus question! No!, I'm blind plotzed!

Yes, infact Nicolaus was familiar with the Augustan party and was in good relationship with them as Herod send him as his diplomat to represent him infront of Agrippa in 14 BC and in 4 BC he represent Archelaus case to Augustus when it's was disputed which one of Herod's sons should be given the majorty of his kingdom. [ Now, this really makes the case against Augustus.] It's likely that him biography of Augustus was meant as a propoganda to the eastern greeks poplation. [Likely? Proof positive! Btw it's intresting to note that before he moved to Herod court in Judean Nicolaus was the teacher of Cleoptara and Marcus Antonius children. [so he was a flatter of Augustus and not Antony!]

Aside from Nicolaus' effusive praise for young Octavian's charisma, what's the basis for thinking that Nicolaus has the chronology wrong? O!, my gods! Has the whisky done me a disservice?

I have no argument at all with this PP. Antony was not being entirely flippant when he maintained that Octavian owed everything to his name. Although I am a staunch Augustus supporter, I have never ever contended that he could have even been in the position to 'raise a private army and save Rome from the domination of a faction' (RG, 1) without his connection to Julius. But I cannot see why people should try to say this in any case. He publicly honoured Julius throughout his life with temples and comets on statues' heads and such nonsense. I don't think Augustus himself ever wanted to play down his connection. And this to me, makes Nicolaus' testimony all the more telling. You see - I'm beginning to rethink this now, and wonder if he did know secretly what was afoot after all! (Thank the gods for this Forum and our candid discussions. We're never too old to change our minds.) PP - I feel as though we've been sat in the pub chatting about this. O!. My Glorious Lady Sophia, you succumb much too easily!

A living man made the adoption. Nicolaus is the only one who says so; if you check Suetonius, Cassius Dio and Appian, you will see Marcius Philippus was still his step-father when Caesar died. [Are you still saying that a dead man can make a will, doctor?] You can check Appian's statement in a previous post (#49) on this thread. Suetonius, Divus Augustus, Cp. VIII, sec. II: "As soon as he learned that his uncle had been slain and that he was his heir, he was in doubt for some time whether to appeal to the nearest legions, but gave up the idea as hasty and premature. He did, however, return to the city and enter upon his inheritance, in spite of the doubts of his mother and the strong opposition of his stepfather, the ex-consul Marcius Philippus." [And so Nicolaus says.] Cassius Dio is even more unambiguous (Liber XLV, Cp. III, sec. I): " Now this Octavius chanced at the time that Caesar was murdered to be in Apollonia on the Ionic Gulf, ... When he learned what had happened, he was of course grieved, but did not dare to begin a revolution at once; for he had not yet heard that he had been made Caesar's son or even his heir, and moreover the first news he received was to the effect that the people were of one mind in the affair. [And so Nicolaus says. How often are we told that Suetonius and Cassius Dio may not be trusted?] Nicolaus is also wrong about the "Lybian War": (Suetonius, ibid, sec. I): "Four years later, after assuming the gown of manhood, he received military prizes at Caesar's p133African triumph, although he had taken no part in the war on account of his youth." [And so Nicolaus says!] You can also check other aseverations of Nicolaus in a previous post(#56) on this same thread. Briefly stated, I found Nicolaus unreliable. Briefly stated, HERE, I find you unreliable.

What is heinous about that?

A living man made the adoption. A dead man can't; unless you are suggesting that the will was forged. He could have adopted Decimus Brutus, Brutus or Antony. Couldn't it be that Caesar had too much sense for that? ------------------------------------------------------ Nicolaus could only be flattering. It is not possible that he was telling the truth. As regards Cicero, he could only be lying about his not being either on this or that foot. Augustus could never be so sagacious in his youth. Brutus and his crowd of murders were the sagacious and honorable men who had only the good of the state in mind. That's why they won. The people, of course were wrong. The whole world was, and is wrong! When people flatter, they are inconsistent. Nicolaus is not. Who gainsays Nicolaus? What 'proof' do they have? Why should they be believed? Again, I ask, which one of these brave louts would have done a better job than the ignoble Augustus? Enough of tendentious Ivory Tower twaddle!