Gaius Octavius

It seems that the fate of the Republic is being left up to personalities. One person, or group, would have taken 'power'? Isn't that anti-republican? (Whatever 'republic' means, it certainly doesn't equate with 'democracy'.) In my opinion, the Empire began to crumble when the 'people' gave up caring about being Roman. They lost their stake in the Empire. I feel that much the same thing happened with the Republic, save for the 'people' giving up being Roman. No amount of obfuscation will obviate the obvious that 95% (99%?) of the 'people' were anything more than cannon fodder, and a source of riches for the ruling elites.

I wonder what this list (and its additions), would look like if a Russian, or a Chinaman, or an Indian composed it? Gorbachev most certainly deserves to be amongst the top few, as he is the only man in history (to my reckoning), to have given up an empire without firing a shot, aka a nuclear weapon.

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O'Higgins John-Paul II J.F. Kennedy Osama bin Laden Tom Paine Castro Ho Chi Minh John XXIII King John (Magna Carta) Henry VIII Bismark Hertzl (No particular order.)

I am left to wonder what it cost to build and decorate then, and what it would translate into current dollars.

You poor Lost_Soul! Cows? Next time it will be a herd of whales!

Wasn't it Roman practice not to ransom prisoners taken by the enemy? If the prisoner's family did ransom them, they had to wear a conical hat? A legionary was supposed to die before being taken prisoner?

The Roman politician was probably no more self seeking than any modern politician. But murder and mayhem in Rome pales before that practiced as above, and in such other places as Lebanon, Saddam's Iraq, Somalia, Afganistan, Cambodia, etc. I would even suggest that the barbarians would have a hard time holding a candle to the 20th and 21st century 'barbarians'.

In matters like this, bribery is called for - in both cases.

I'm sorry that you don't have anything else to vent about. Always good to hear that other folks have 'issues'. I solved the present gasoline debacle by resuscitating my Grandfather's Stanley Steamer. Burns anything. Abandoned furniture, Christmas trees, corn stalks, in a word, anything hanging around. If I ever run out of water, I can get flocks of peoples to pass water into it, ergo, no cost to run! No computer to harry me. Doesn't have, or need a speed thermometer. Goes from zero to sixty in a few minutes. Have to keep an eye on the steam gage though. Rug rats, wife, back seat drivers, and other pains keep their cake holes shut. Jack Russells just love the adventure. Little gamins are in awe of the of the contrivance, so are their creators. It's an eye catcher. Never get boxed in. On the autobahn, it always gets a half mile clearance fore and aft. Woemens with cell phones glued to their ears, and cavorting about in Beamers, or Lexii, keep a safe distance. Even smokeys don't push their luck. Often hear little ragamuffins scream out to their sires: "You skell, why don't you burn that beard off, and get one of those?!". Takes a while to get up to snuff, so I get the wax out of my ears, polish my shoes, and attend to a manicure in the meanwhile. For exceptionally short trips, the used Yugo comes into play. If it decides to take a short rest, street urchins are always available to give it a push back to the barn.

While acknowledging that it's impossible to know for certain what exactly transpired at these various court proceedings (so-called), on it's face it would seem that a pretty decent case can be made that the State (in the form of Caesar, Cato, and other various and sundry elected/appointed officials) acted illegally in bringing charges against those who took part in Sulla's (legally sanctioned) proscriptions. Sorry, should have been more clear. See edit above.

LW might remember that there was a thread in which this subject came up, and might have a link. She gave it a big "eeeew". Anyway, look here: http://www.harpercollins.com.au/drstephenjuan/0507news.htm Google "Roman Toothpaste".

Might be able to figure it out from Wikipedia: "vim promovet insitam "promotes one's innate power". Per vim: Through (by) its own power??? This might be a bit of fun: http://latin-phrases.co.uk/ ------------------------------- But the word 'moot'. Arguable or not arguable? (Edited)

6 As always, you are a great help in ontological matters. Merci, mucho.

My Bride, Claudia, tortured her meager female wits today, wondering if Pegasus was a unique being, or just one of many Pegasus types? Answers would, obviously, make my life more enjoyable.

I would have liked to have been with Scipio as he planned and executed the battle of Zama; and with Caesar the same at Alesia. In both cases, I would like to have noted the condition of the troopers before, during, and after the battles.

If my wits don't fail me, those chocolates were once made in Brook.,etc. near the present Fairway.

Boo-Hoo-Hoo. Yes, G.O. lives in the wilds of Brooklyn. Huh. Who counts that as New York? -- Nephele My Lady Domina Nomina: 1. Has it escaped your attention that Brooklyn was renamed Brookfordshiresexingham some while ago, and that I am the Earl thereof? 2. I wouldn't pass water on 'The City', having effectively lived there for much too long. We are being over run by Manhattan wetbacks, and I don't like it one bit. 3. I will await the appearance of My Lord of the Weeds. He has a sense of humor. If Doll ever becomes a member of the emigree community, I shall treat her Nobily. 4. Get the point you missed, now? Done, this 10th day of December, In this Year of Our Lord, the Two Thousandth and Seventh, At Dusthaven in Brookfordshiresexingham. By: Cecil, Earl of Brookfordshiresexingham (Seal)

God be with your Granny.

Recently, there was a thread titled 'Ex Augustus'. I think that I've tried all the Fora, and come up empty. HELP!

I would like to know what the 'reasons' (not the legends) for the following emperors to have chosen their successors: Augustus > Tiberius. Tiberius > Caligula. Claudius > Nero

Boo-Hoo-Hoo.

Keeps woemens drivers off the scene.

An example of how to string facts together, and come up with no-sense. Let us examine one of his non-sequitors: Mythical Christ; Bastard Christ.!? No more than he can (materially) prove the non-existence of God, can others prove (materially) the existence of God. Hitchens has become a pseudo-intellectual pain.

Don't for get the 'senator', and the judges business. I wonder how the G-Man's party is going?