Gaius Octavius

Examples @ Pompey http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?act=mo...si&img=1240 http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?act=mo...si&img=1239 http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?act=mo...si&img=1238 http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?act=mo...si&img=1237 http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?act=mo...si&img=1142

I think that culture rather than geography is being referred to here. I think that Carthage is considered an Oriental culture.

12-21-2012! Good grief! 666! We're done for!

How about a Jesuit Empire in South America? http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-10076.html

I wonder how one can determine that finding a foreign coin is an indication of direct trade with the original source of the coin and not the result of a raid or indirect trade or raid?

I have a recollection that a 'salute' is supposed to indicate: 'Look, no weapon.' to a senior and is manifested in different ways by different cultures. An open palm is usual in most salutes, but a clenched fist was used by the Black Panthers. Yet, an objection pops to mind when one has a rifle shouldered and salutes. The Romans could have had a number of different ways of saluting, just as moderns have. Some other Nazi customs seem to have been adopted from the Romans. This may have resulted from Hitler's fascination with Mussolini. I have a very, very vague recollection of using the Bellamy salute in grammar school in the 1940's. WW, look at the caption under the photo.

A little more info. http://www.lightmillennium.org/2004_14th_i..._laodiceia.html

Don't forget Unemployment Insurance. You have been paying for it. And choose wisely with your 401k or whatever. Get it out of your former employer's hands - quick! Get IRS Publication 17 for info. If I remember correctly you must put it into a 'ROLLOVER IRA', and not a regular IRA. BUT DON'T TRUST MY MEMORY. Don't take a check or cash. Do a custodian transfer. Check the IRS site for quick info or call them.

I believe that there is something wrong with that picture if it was taken in 1892. The radiators, flag, blinds, lighting, dress and desks look more like 1950.

"The Romans were a nation of farmers and soldiers. They left manufacture, commerce, and banking largely to foreigners. Cato said: 'In preference to farming one might seek gain by commerce on the seas, were it not so perilous, and in money lending, if it were honorable.... How much worse the money lender was considered by our forefathers than the thief....' Nevertheless, Plutarch says that Cato himself invested in mercantile loans, probably secretly." N.B. A point of hypocrisy? _____________________ A History of Interest Rates (2,000 B.C. to the Present); Sidney Homer; Rutgers Univ. Press, 1963; page 44.

If there were a law declaring that old coins would not be accepted for tax payments and the new coins were made available at an official exchange rate, there would be no need for coin collectors. Currency changes obviously don't require a vast bureaucracy of "coin collectors." Or didn't you know that? Also, I included a link to an article on Gresham's Law when I introduced the topic. That's what the underlining is there for. Agreed, but maybe a vast bureaucracy of coin exchangers would be needed. Maybe D. was thinking of the vast number of 'morons' holding the 'bad'. Didn't you once point out to me that the 'velocity' of money was a now discarded theory? Which side should D. have taken?

H., the author of your citation is a propagandist and assumes perfect competition - which never has existed, doesn't and most likely never will exist. Price fixing did occur - on the part of the oligarchs. Claudius had to deal with it. Any problem with that? D. was well aware of this. MPC, was D. going to send out 'coin collectors'? See my earlier post. Not everyone following this thread knows what Gresham's Law is.

Autonomy does not mean sovereignty.

I guess that I am off base - once again, but I can't help using examples to make a point about the then Roman economy.

MPC, remember that Diocletian didn't have a collection of 'letters' after his name from the Chicago School. Had he attempted to re-base the coinage of the empire, it would have taken ages. In the mean time the 'bad' would have driven out the 'good'. Bringing the coinage up to snuff would not necessarily have defeated inflation either. Spain's importation of gold from the Americas caused a European wide inflation. Those who had gold, did fine; those who didn't ate cake or weeds - and they were the vast majority. Hoarding of gold can cause deflation and the resultant poverty of the many. If this were such an easy problem to solve, why did the US have to borrow 30 year money at 14% during the Reagan administration? 50 years ago, gasoline cost 17 cents a gallon. Recently it cost $3.40 a gallon - a 2,000% increase. All of those letters haven't done much good. I doubt that his trying a scheme in one province or city would have succeeded, unless the area were completely isolated. As an aside, normal interest rates more than doubled from the first to the second and third centuries AD. "...a short but pronounced restriction of the money supply...." As the Fed did during the Great Depression, further deepening it?

I watched the atrocity from my window and fire escape. My brother was in a building adjacent to the Trade Center. After sending his charges home he called me. I asked him what the blazes he was doing in the office and ordered him out. As soon as he left, his building collapsed. Later, he told me that the plaza was loaded with 'meat' - the parts of people who jumped from the towers. He could hear thuds as the jumpers hit the ground and their bodies were broken apart. A cousin had left his office for a cigarette break in the plaza when his tower was hit. A cigarette saved him for another time. Another cousin's kid was welding on a bridge over West Street when they were approached by firemen to rescue some of their comrades trapped in a crushed fire truck. The kids went to work but were soon ordered to leave because the other tower was about to collapse. They refused and had to be forcibly removed. Our fire house in Brooklyn, Squad 1, lost 12 of its complement of 30 men. Its neighbors responded generously. Clouds of smoke and ash lasted for days. Amongst the many volunteers, a couple of guys came up from Texas with a barbecue truck and supplied the workers with food - gratis. A restaurant did likewise. I saw those towers grow from a hole in the ground and was a small part of the syndicates that raised the money to build them. I questioned their utility in an area already so congested. Four or five buildings of much smaller size, and at a significantly smaller cost, could have been built on the dilapidated water fronts of New Jersey and/or Brooklyn and have supplied as many square feet of usable space. Every thirteenth floor of the towers was an engine room for the supplying of building services. One could hold a dinner party in one of the water valves. When completed, space went begging and the towers were filled with municipal and state offices and non-trade firms. Leases had to be offered at most favorable terms in order to get tenants. If the towers weren't there, something else would have been hit by those.... In the end those ... missed the most important financial building in the world and I don't mean the NYSE.

MPC, one could also say that since shortages may cause price increases that put the essentials of life out of the reach of the population, price controls become necessary. It is not unknown that merchants and traders will take advantage of local circumstances to raise their prices arbitrarily. The present oil situation being an example. Diocletian's price controls may have been a bad idea, but what were his alternatives? His interests may have been for the nation as a whole. Why should he have been able to see the consequences of price controls? He could see the consequences of greed.

Perhaps I will stand corrected, but I believe that he was the emperor who established the oriental style court.

I believe that corpses have been unearthed in Denmark, Ireland and England that had their throats slit. This was attributed to Druidic ritual.

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I believe that the Druidic cults practiced human sacrifice in their rituals. This is another reason why the Romans suppressed Druidism.

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Uros, if by 'capital', you mean 'money', when one person buys land or a fixed asset or anything, the 'money' does not 'disappear' or become immobilized, it is merely transferred to the previous owner. Foreign imports would decrease the specie (money) of the Roman nation. In those times it would have been difficult, if not impossible, for a citizen of one nation to own assets in another (as one can do today). If imports exceeded exports, then the nation would lose specie. The tax system along with the un-managed greed and outright thievery of the moguls left the greatest part of the population without a care as to who ruled them. I feel that the Empire, in both East and West, collapsed as a result of most of the items stated in this thread all gradually coming together to one point.

Did people live above bath houses?