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"Hey, I was just offering another option...." As long as my guests are happy, that's all that counts!

God bless "The Onion!" That is awesome!

Quite true. Edit: Mark was from Cambridge...I'm quite sure he didn't grow up saying uh-NEE-id! Amen! (Although when your own mother is looking at you funny, that's hard to ignore!)

*clap clap* Bring out the food! Strike up the band! Eyeing Caldrail's slinking off, Doc runs over with a huge antelope steak for the panther, and a plate of roasted goose (with all the trimmings) for Caldrail...with her servant following behind with a rather large stein of ale. Perhaps if the mighty Caldrail is properly fed, he won't be such a trickster...well, at least it's worth a shot.

Doc goes and asks for a bush of catnip...maybe that'll keep the big kitty at bay... Meanwhile, with all this commotion and rebel-rousing, enough attention has been diverted away from the kitchen staff, where they finally get a hold of enough time to prepare a scrumptious supper. With the food ready to be served again, Doc can breathe once again...unless someone else decides to try and ruin her party!

Oof...I purposely stay off of Blackwells, lest I get into more trouble. As it is I have about 4 pages on Amazon of various stuff, everything from CDs to linguistics books to Spanish-language literature (it's cheaper to go through Amazon than it is Gredos, Catedra and others...) to anything else that catches my eye.

The classicists that I've been around (mostly at U.Texas, but some at U.Ca.Davis, too) all say uh-NEE-id...including when I took a Proto-Indo-European class, when my professor (Mark Southern...a jolly good English lad if ever there was one) would take examples of words from classic literature! As for traditional pronunciations...I still get funny looks when I sing "Adeste fideles" with the 'traditional' pronunciation, especially in church. I guess these Catholics forgot the time when Latin was still said (and sung) in church...that, or they were all taught wrong!

That seriously rocks...killer... I'll post a picture of myself in 1967...it won't be pretty, I assure you. (Or, if I can find one, and if it's preferred, a more suitable picture of me as a yung'un)

Oh bother.... Manlius? Care to take care of this???

Which 2 words: vini and vinci? Even still...Doc, satisfied that the party is going at full speed, steals herself away to a quiet corner...all this organizing and making merry takes a toll now and then! She seeks out her favorite snuggle-bunny and curls up for a quick cat nap. Hopefully all will continue well.....

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeet name, dude! Santana is part of the holy trinity here, along with Ms. Janis Joplin and Mr. Jimi Hendrix!

I had just a few comments; I took the article and copied/pasted it into a Word document. My changes were more comments; a couple of type-ohs, but not bad overall. But I can't attach it here! I can send it to you via email, though.

I have Empire of Pleasures on my list, as well as AD's Dictionary of Languages. As for others somehow associated with Rome or the like, the only one is: Cultural Identity in the Roman Empire by Dr Joanne Berry But...there's so much on there, both linguistic, personal (music, esp.), and 'other' (general whims). Oh, and a whole bunch of Asterix books!

In the northern parts of the Iberian peninsula (Galicia, Portugal, Asturias, the Basque country...I'm sure the northern coast of France, too), there's some form of salt cod--often called bacalao or some such form. This is also known throughout the Italian peninsula, by the same name...so who's to say that there isn't some ancient connection with this recipe! Edit to add: bacalao is often made so as to preserve the fish; it is often reconstituted (usually in several changes of milk) before used in everything from pasta/potato dishes, fritters, to anything else you can think of! (And it's pretty damned tasty!)

This is getting off topic, but Holy Trinities, even if they were not called as such, were fairly common in pre-Christian religions. True, and didn't mean to get off-topic. The number three has been a magical number for many cultures, but that's for a different thread all-together.

"Manlius"....?????

The Capolitine Triad...a precursor to the Holy Trinity...cute...

I believe that I read in a couple of mythology books that Ares and Mars were essentially the same, as with Aphrodite/Venus, Zeus/Jupiter, Hera/Juno...but as I recall, whereas Athena was active in the battlefield (strategy and tactics, mostly), Minerva didn't really get all that involved, so to speak. But I could be wrong here.

Ah, of course...this is all making a bit more sense now. Olympus was an omission by me...I knew that they had their connection with Zeus. What about in Asia Minor, in Ionia and Thrace...was it more of Athena-worship, or did other gods win out over there? I still find it interesting that a group of people (Greece, and in particular Athens) especially praise Athena for her mix of brains, brawn, and logic...yet a similar group (Rome) as far as I can tell didn't hold Minerva in the same high regard. She was important, but not nearly as much as others (Mars and Jupiter, I guess, are the strongest there).

If Roman culture had been a continuous force in Europe, that might be said. However, after the Germanic invasions, Europe went right back to the Iron Age level of civilization that had existed before Rome invaded. The Roman language, literature, architecture, political system, and the like had a greater impact on Europe during the Renaissance than it did under Roman occupation. Petrarch did more to Romanize modern Europe than did Caesar. I wouldn't disagree with this point, MPC, only to add that especially in the case of literature and other areas, the people of the Middle Ages and Renaissance often viewed the times of the Greeks and Romans with much romanticism (sorry about that) in discussing the glory days gone by. Nevertheless, there were stronger efforts to 're-introduce' Latin, both in the Church and in educated circles. Between the advancing education of the peoples--they had more books at their disposal, and could understand them better--and the advances in technology in all areas--where often Latinized names were used--there were more 'educated' words coming into the system. For example, many of the 3-syllable words in Spanish, particularly those with ante-penultimate stress, come from re-introduced Latin words in the Renaissance period.

For obvious reasons, Athens claims Athena as their 'patron goddess'...But I got to thinking...who would the other major city-states 'claim' as their own, or their favorite? In thinking about Sparta, I guess the obvious choice is Ares...but he was often seen as impetuous, and a rebel...this would go against Spartan discipline. So would Athena again be the choice here, with her combination of tactical wisdom and battle-ready-ness? And with Haephestus being the armorer of choice? What about Corinth? I don't know much about it, so I can't even begin to guess.

Enjoy your summer, LW! Have a safe trip!

After re-reading the thread, there is still a lingering question--a philosophical one, and probably one which cannot be answered. It would be interesting to know how many of those 55 pro-Caesar nobiles were truly for CJC, and how many just saw him as the better option (the lesser of evils, or the safer bet, or the more feared option). Regardless, his acts would have triggered an opinion out of everyone...just what exactly those opinions were is something left for the ages, I presume.

Heheh typical...the first time he did a disappearing act, many of us shot him an email. Then, in typical GO fashion, he comes back touting that no one missed him! Funny bloke, he. And a good goombah...I'd share some vino and formaggio with Don Tomato any time.

Thanks, PP! This helps much!