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  1. well, the session is over; the professor answered our round of questions, so i felt it is no longer necessary... cheers viggen
  2. We shipped yesterday Pertinax book, may you have a good read! cheers viggen
  3. hi wowotius, sure, just write a review from a roman book you already read, and/or write an interesting well researched article or just hang out a while at the forum and contribute with lots of meaningfull posts, and one day you might be a Patricians and eligibable for the Book Giveaway... cheers viggen
  4. Scientists have identified a major climate crisis that struck Africa about 70,000 years ago and which may have changed the course of human history. The evidence comes from sediments drilled up from the beds of Lake Malawi and Tanganyika in East Africa, and from Lake Bosumtwi in Ghana. full article at BBC
  5. Nice idea, however... This might get very complicated, I like it simple... The issue is, people have lifes outside the Internet, not always everyone is online all the time, sometimes people are busy on the boards for weeks, then you dont hear from them in months and so on.. Thats normal, thats the way it is, now if you keep that in mind, all we ever encouraged at UNRV.com is voluntarily, if you step up with quality posts, book reviews, articles etc. you will be noticed and promoted accordingly. The current set up is simple and effective to do just that. Saying that, no one is stopping the equestrians/pleibeians to just do what P.Clodius suggested (open a new thread, choose who should do it, research, write and discuss), but we defenitely dont need antoher title or a commite for that... Remember, we are a place to discuss all things Roman and happen to have some perks for valued contributers and not a bureaucratic society... regards viggen
  6. Workers extending a subway tunnel have unearthed a section of stone wall believed to be part of fortifications from New York's pre- Revolutionary War era, city parks officials said on Wednesday. The mortared stone wall is more than 40 feet long and 7 feet thick and is 10 feet below the surface of Battery Park near the southern tip of Manhattan, according to preliminary inspections. full article at Breitbard
  7. Say 'tomb raider' to Francesco Racano and he doesn't think of a Hollywood action movie hero. He fights the real thing. The 51-year-old archaeologist has worked for more than half his life at Arpi, a sprawling Greco-Roman necropolis in Italy's deep south that is bigger than most small villages. Arpi has the kind of embarrassment of riches few countries can boast -- hundreds of tombs buried close to the surface and brimming with treasures. full article at Reuters.com
  8. A bit of what prisoners suffered in ancient times can be seen as of yesterday at the archaeological dig in the old city of Tiberias. Excavations of the basilica compound in the eastern part of the old city recently unearthed two small chambers believed to have served as holding cells for prisoners awaiting trial. If today's custody conditions at police stations elicit complaints from detainees and defense lawyers, well, prisoners didn't have it all that good 1,800 years ago either. full article at Haaretz
  9. Archeologists working in Guatemala have unearthed a monument with the earliest-known depiction of a woman of authority in ancient Mayan culture, the Canadian leader of the research team said on Monday. The 2-meter high (6-1/2 foot high) limestone monument, called a stela, has a portrait of a female who could be either a ruler or a mythical goddess, said Kathryn Reese-Taylor, a University of Calgary archeologist. full article at Epoch Times
  10. Italian archaeologists have found a remarkable trove of five untouched Roman sarcophagi in a burial vault outside Rome . "It's really rare to find so many sarcophagi that have never been profaned or even opened - as can be seen by the intact lead clasps on their edges," said the head of the dig, Stefano Musco . full article at Ansa.it
  11. ...they are guessing right now, (not even clear if it is a pyramid) and well some locals was not what i meant by known..., known by the scientific public, thats what i meant (if it is true), if so, it is an astonishing find... regards viggen
  12. ...maybe because it is astonishing that there were unknown people that made this massive building in the middle of europe and it was unnoticed until recently? regards viggen
  13. hehe, ok that explains it then cheers viggen
  14. An Ancient Roman brickworks in near perfect condition has been discovered in Emilia Romagna . The complex, the largest anywhere in the region and one of the biggest in Italy, was unearthed near a canal in the central Italian town of Ronta. full article at Ansa.it
  15. Update Scientist: Bosnian Hill May Have Pyramid With eyes trained to recognize pyramids hidden in the hills of El Salvador, Mexico and Peru, Semir Osmanagic has been drawn to the mound overlooking this central Bosnian town. "It has all the elements: four perfectly shaped slopes pointing toward the cardinal points, a flat top and an entrance complex," he said, gazing at the hill and wondering what lies beneath. No pyramids are known in Europe, and there is no evidence any ancient civilization there ever attempted to build one. But Osmanagic, a Bosnian archaeologist who has spent the last 15 years studying the pyramids of Latin America, suspects there is one here in his Balkan homeland. full article at CBSNews
  16. Ahem...., It was on the front page of Unrv.com, it was sent out via our newsletter and if you opted in for receiving mail from the administrator when you signed up at the forum you would have been notified too... We really tried hard to inform everyone... cheers viggen
  17. ...another milestone reached 20.000 posts thanks to everyone... regards viggen
  18. As we say in Austria "Frohe Weihnachten" to everyone btw. in Austria the presents are brought by the "Christkindl" and not by Santa Claus... (The Christkindl is a sprite-like child, usually depicted with blond hair and angelic wings. Children never see the Christkind, as parents will always tell them that the Christkind just disappeared before they came.) We also not getting our presents on the morning of the 25th but in the evening of 24th (Christmas Eve)... regards viggen
  19. wooo, slow down people... It is over for now, give the prof a break.... ----------------------------------------------------------- Now the good news I asked Professor Ward-Perkins which question he enjoyed most to reply, so we could give that person a copy of his latest book.... and the winner is....... ******** This is REALLY difficult - they are so different. But in an odd way the very simple question from Pertinax about what book brings ancient Rome to life was the most enjoyable to reply to. So congratulation Pertinax! You just manged to get yourself The Fall Of Rome: And The End Of Civilization from Professor Ward-Perkins! should be on your way the next couple of days! cheers and thanks to everyone for participating... regards viggen
  20. Hello Professor Ward-Perkins, thank you so much for taking the time to trying to answer all of our questions, we really appreciate it and are gratefull I hope you enjoyed some of the questions thanks again, viggen
  21. Viggen

    Summer Is Here

    dammit, i am freezing to death here btw. you can use google to find out how much celsius are in fahrenheit (and the other way round) 34 celsius in fahrenheit cheers viggen
  22. I really really wish we would talk more about Germanics; after all, no other peoples made a bigger impact (from Imperial times at least) on the Roman Empire than them... regards viggen
  23. Book Review by Ursus "There is no crime for those have Christ," declared Shenoute, a fifth-century Egyptian abbot. For Shenoute and those like him, the call from Christ to promote, defend and preserve the new religion outweighed any other consideration and justified any means. "Violence - whether of the margins or of the center - cannot be understood without reference to the values, motives and self-preservations of its authors," explains Michael Gaddis, the book's author. He spends the rest of his 392 page treatise seeking to do just that. The book is not a mere catalogue of acts of religious violence, but attempts to explain the context in which violence occurred. It seeks to define violence, the parties involved, and the justifications behind it within the context of the Roman Empire's evolution from a Pagan to a Catholic society. Particular attention is paid to the concept of the martyr and how it defined and was defined by early Christianity. Some background might be in order, and Gaddis does a nice job explaining the essentials. One thing that Roman paganism and Christianity had in common was a belief that offending divinity could result in supernatural wrath, whether in the form of natural disasters or social decay. The Roman state demanded lip service be paid to its gods on the theory that without such outward signs of respect divine retribution might occur. When Roman citizenship was universally extended, Rome's gods became truly universal, and thus gave a greater impetus for the Roman state to exact religious conformity. This became all the more urgent in the later empire, when the various troubles seemed to suggest the gods were no longer sheltering Rome under their divine protection. Fortunately most of Rome's pagan subjects could at least pay lip service to the Roman State religion without offending their own beliefs. Lip service, the outward expression of conformity and the mere absence of any overt challenge to the prevailing order, was all that Rome actually demanded of its citizens. If by chance someone was brought before the state on charges of subverting the religious order, they were given every opportunity to repent and be reconciled to the state. Why then did early Christians deliberately provoke the Roman State with their new religion? As Gaddis explains, Christians by and large felt the secular world was fleeting and worthless, and their entire vocation was to transcend it in favor of a promised afterlife. They were on a quest to conquer the devil and demons, and every act of persecution was a demonstration of their faith in Christ, a victory over evil. Martyrdom - torture or death at the hands of so-called oppressors - was the ultimate act of defiance, defiance not only of the Pagan state religion, but of the secular world in general and the demons who supposedly ruled it. Martyrdom was a path to salvation. Martyrs would often destroy Pagan property and provoke Pagan masses precisely to incite Pagans into torturing or killing them. This would give the martyrs the demonstration (and subsequent salvation) they sought, while simultaneously giving their peers an excuse to demonize pagans for having the temerity to avenge themselves. Some Christians adhered to martyrdom more rigorously than others, though. As Gaddis points out, most of the martyrs were on the bottom rungs of Christian society - those with the least to lose and the most to gain. The ranking members of the Christian hierarchy such as the bishops were less likely to suffer pain or death as a demonstration of their faith. Indeed, some bishops regarded the martyrs with a certain envy or suspicion, as the Christian masses began to hold the martyrs in higher esteem than the officials who delivered the sacraments of the Church. It might be suggested this fame and following is what prompted some martyrs as much as any purely religious sentiment. The dichotomy between the establishment of the Christian Church and its rank and file took a sudden turn with the conversion of Constantine. Now suddenly Christians were in possession of the same state that had been persecuting them. Those that had excoriated the Roman Empire and the secular world as demonic abominations were now suddenly in charge of it. The irony was not lost on some. Schisms developed between those who were comfortable with the Church's newfound reliance on secular power and those who found it a profanity. Those bishops allied with Constatine's new order called themselves "Catholic" meaning universal, implying their version of Christianity was by definition for everyone. The Christian minorities who did not subscribe to the Catholic view were deemed by the Catholics as heretics. Among one of the most virulent of the "heretical" Christian sects were Donatists, especially prominent in Africa. The Donatists did not disguise their contempt for Catholics and their reliance on state power. In response, Constantine's new state used the very power held in contempt by the Donatists against them. Catholic Bishops armed with imperial soldiers seized Donatist basilicas, and if Donatists mobs revolted they were duly massacred. Christian was now fighting Christian. Or rather, Christians allied with the remains of the Roman imperial order were now at odds with Christians who refused to compromise with the imperial order. To Donatists, the persecution of the Pagan state had been replaced with the persecution of the Catholic state. Nothing had really changed. There were still evil and corrupt persecutors, and there were still holy martyrs. The Donatist Martyrs actively resisted, deliberately provoking the Catholic state to grant them the conditions necessary to prove their faith by torture or death. The Catholics were faced with the prospect of coming across as persecutors in the tradition of the pagan state they usurped. To solve this problem, two solutions were offered. The first solution was that Catholicism was the one true version of Christianity, all other versions were heretical; the heretics who died at the hands of the Catholic state were therefor not by definition martyrs as only true Christians could be martyrs. Those who died at the hands of the universal church were not martyrs but criminals. The other solution was offered by Augustine. Initially skeptical about the use of state violence against fellow Christians, Augustine resigned his concerns when he saw that violence was efficacious. Violence could be tolerated precisely because it worked. More importantly, it worked in the service of the Church to save souls for Christ. Heretics were sick, so thought Augustine. State violence was the surgeon's scalpel which, while unfortunately unpleasant, was necessary to heal the patient. But there were limits to the violence employed by the state for religious conformity. Violence was merely a tool, not an end in itself. If violence were the means, unity and peace were the ends. Violence was employed to achieve religious conformity for the ends of peace and stability. If violence were used less like a scalpel and more like a club, it could grow out of hand and defeat the very end of stability it was trying to achieve. The most Christian of Emperors, Theodosius I, lamented the wanton disregard of property rights demonstrated by zealous Christians against pagans and heretics. "The monks commit many crimes," the emperor noted disapprovingly. The Emperor Valens also seemed to note that Christian monks had no productive capacity beyond praying and inciting violence. Unlike the medieval inquisitors, the Christian emperors were interested not that their subjects were inwardly Christian, but merely that they not overtly challenge the state. The emperors, in other words, demanded lip service and nothing more, and were willing to use violence only to ensure universal lip service to the new order. They behaved, much as the Donatists pointed out, like the Pagan imperial officials before them. When violence of the new Christian state was taken to excess, it was often committed by overly zealous Christian foot soldiers rather than from imperial orders. Christianity suffered a dichotomy between those who used it for political expediency, and the true believers who were willing to kill and be killed to defend the authenticity of its message. Caught between the two groups were a great many people for whom religion took a back seat to daily survival. ...more Book Reviews! Gods of Ancient Rome by R. Turcan The Complete Roman Army The Roman Army by P. Southern Such then is the complicated picture of religious violence as the Roman Empire transitioned from a Pagan state into a Catholic one. The author uses many details and anecdotes to prove his points. Indeed, in this reviewer's opinion the author can be overly detailed at times which makes for slow reading. Gaddis concludes with an admonition that violence, whatever its ultimate intentions or justifications, can go beyond its designated boundaries and defeat its intended purposes, only inspiring more violence. My central problem with this whole work is that I did not need to read over three hundred pages to come to this conclusion. However, those without a prior exposure to the subject may find this work a sound exploration of the topic. Certainly Christians, Pagans and Agnostics alike should all be conversant with the subject. Tell us your opinion - Submit your Review - Buy the book! Book Review of There Is No Crime For Those Who have Christ - Related Topic: Christianity History Bibliography Get it now! There Is No Crime for the UK ________________________________
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