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Everitts book on Cicero was excellent..i just received my copy of Augustus........I have a back up log of books to be read, but I'll, push this to the top....

The film you're talking about is "Roma" or ,in English, "Fellini's Roma." Here's a description of that fantastic scene in which a subway construction crew accidentily runs into a perfectly preserved ancient Roman villa full of mosaics: "Fellini's film insists upon the continuity of past and present, the writing and continued significance of one within the other; signified directly by the underground tunnel which rapidly encounters the historical layers of the city built one atop the other. But this is seldom a melancholy or straightforwardly nostalgic film. In one of the film's most celebrated set pieces in which a construction crew uncovers a perfectly preserved ancient Roman home, we are given a tantalisingly brief glimpse of beautiful frescoes and statues whose stoic faces seem to be looking back at us, visages of a piece with those we encounter in contemporary Rome. But Fellini always insists on marking lived experience and the ravages of time, and once revealed to the pungent air of contemporary Rome the artefacts quickly take on the weathering and age that their 2000 year embalming has forestalled. This is a great image of what preoccupies Fellini's vision of Rome, essentially a city in which the past is both inaccessible and ever present, a history or legacy that is both quixotic and abundant through its signs of physical decay. One can see the layers of the past in many of the film's images but this is equally a 'vision' that one can smell and hear (the noise I discussed above is in fact multi-sensory)." http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/cteq/01/19/roma.html ahhh many thanx Ludovicus.....many thanx....

hey great paper jasminia..i ilkke thw quote;

Ave........saw this article in the journal today, thought it made for interesting reading... Tiny Spades and Artifacts Eventually Will Give Way To Massive Earthmovers By GABRIEL KAHN January 27, 2007; Page A1 ROME -- As this city begins work on a new, 15.5 mile subway line, massive earthmoving equipment sits idle while teams of archaeologists with tiny spades sift through dirt. More than 17.5 million cubic feet of it is being removed by hand, to unearth the remains of tombs and stately residences that once made up the ancient metropolis beneath the surface of the modern city. "Our guess is that these were probably taverns," said Anna Giulia Fabiani, shouting over the roar of weekday traffic as she surveyed ancient walls and doorways at a dig site across from the Colosseum. ROME'S BIG DIG See a map of Rome's new metro line and learn more about the ruins that archaeologists are encountering as they work on the stations. Ms. Fabiani, an archaeologist, spent months excavating the site by hand. She and others are now in the process of documenting what they found. Eventually they will clear out so big mechanical diggers can break ground for what is to be the new metro line's largest station. Some archaeological finds will be preserved and others discarded. But Rome's new subway never would have gotten this far if two bitter foes -- archaeologists and city planners -- hadn't agreed to compromise over an age-old problem. In Rome, modern progress is often slowed down by the past. Italy's robust preservation laws make it difficult to renovate, remove or otherwise tinker with anything deemed to be of historical significance, and that includes most of central Rome. The laws have protected the capital from newer architectural eyesores but have left it ill-equipped to deal with the stresses of a modern metropolis. Rome currently has only two modest metro lines to serve its 2.5 million people, leaving the city's streets regularly clogged with buses, cars and scooters whose pollution coats the historical monuments with grime. Neither line passes through the heart of the old city, an area always teeming with tourists. But successive attempts by city planners to unclog the center by building underground parking garages and tunnels to handle traffic have run afoul of historical preservationists just about every time a shovel has hit the earth. "It's like a parody," complains Enrico Testa, the chairman of Roma Metropolitane SpA, the city-owned company that operates Rome's subway. "There are treasures that are underground that would stay buried forever if we didn't have to dig. But as soon as we uncover them, our work gets blocked." Rome isn't the only city to trip over the remains of its past. Athens, for example, also has strict preservation laws. Workers building the stadiums and venues of the 2004 Olympics frequently dug up pieces of antiquity in the process. An important find can need an all-clear from the culture ministry before work can proceed -- a requirement that delayed Greece's last-minute Olympic preparations. Workers building Mexico City's subway stumbled onto an Aztec temple. It was then integrated into a station design. Breaking ground in Rome wasn't always so difficult. When the city started building its first metro in the 1930s, dictator Benito Mussolini refused to let history impede his master plan to create a modern Roman empire. Work didn't pause even when diggers clipped off a corner of the foundation of the Colosseum. The plans were crude: Engineers cut a canal alongside the ruins of the Roman Forum. Truckloads of dirt containing many ancient artifacts were carted off and dumped. Since Italy emerged from World War II, however, preservationists and city planners have fought pitched battles over everything from subway lines to sewage pipes. When the city started work on one subway line in 1962, it tried to keep the state historical preservation office in the dark so as to avoid interference, recalls Giovanni Simonacci, who began working on that project in the 1970s and is chief engineer of the new metro line. It didn't work. "We'd find something and the [preservation office] would swoop in," he says. "We would then have to cover it over and change the route of the line. We lost years." As workers were digging what is now the Piazza Repubblica metro stop near Rome's central Termini station, Mr. Simonacci says, they ran smack into the Diocletian Baths, a vast, third-century complex of gymnasiums, libraries, sculpture gardens and baths that could accommodate 3,000 bathers at once. "We moved some, destroyed some and changed our plans a bit to avoid destroying more." Trains didn't start running until 1980. More than once, city officials have lost their cool with the preservation office. Former Rome Mayor Francesco Rutelli once nicknamed Adriano La Regina, former head of Rome's preservation office, "Signor No," because he blocked plans for tunnels and parking garages as the city tried to ready itself for the Catholic Church's Jubilee celebrations in 2000. The standoff held until a few years ago, when planners and preservationists decided to bury the hatchet and work together on the new subway line. To reduce the line's environmental impact, the subway tunnel will be buried more than 80 feet below the surface, beneath even the earliest strata of archaeological remains. The two sides got together to plot the best places to build stations and escalators leading down to them. The urban planners also acquiesced in letting archaeologists have first crack at the work sites to make sure nothing of great historical importance would be ruined by major excavation. For the engineers, to work alongside the archaeologists isn't fast -- or inexpensive. The bill for constructing one mile of metro tracks in the center of Rome is more than $375 million, and the project won't be completed until 2015. For the archaeologists, minimizing the impact of the subway line by navigating around relics "is like a slalom course," says Angelo Bottini, who took over from Mr. La Regina as head of Rome's preservation office. Yet Mr. Bottini recognizes that the new line also provides a tantalizing opportunity: "We never get to dig in the center of Rome." At some sites, the remains of ancient roads lie just four inches beneath the surface. Not far from the Forum, for example, archaeologists dug up the remains of a large patrician home from the second century. It remains to be decided what they are going to do with it. But there is so much lying below that "for a lot of this stuff, all we need to do is document it and then destroy it," says Mr. Bottini. Everything is photographed and its position recorded. Mr. Bottini's office makes the call about whether finds are preserved in place, taken away or destroyed. One of Italy's problems is that it doesn't have enough museum space to hold all its artifacts. In fact, in designing the new subway line, the architects planned for the inevitable: a subterranean museum at one of the stations to hold significant pieces of antiquity expected to be dug up during construction. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1169849648...ON=wsjie/6month

the saints will beat the bears.....imho...Mannnig will come up big..he's due for a big game......

"enrich the soldiers, despise the rest"...Severus....

I think it may be Egyptian: Caesar did follow the ways of Egypt a great deal, and may have brought them with him: In the funeral rites of ancient Egypt, it was sung that milk should never be far from the mouths of the dead. In the Egyptian Pyramid texts, Ra is asked to bestow the milk of Isis upon the deceased, thereby rendering them a surrogate child of the goddess. Utterance 406 requests abundance on behalf of the dead: Greetings to thee RA in thy beauty, in thy beauties, in thy places, in thy two-thirds gold. Mayest thou bring the milk of Isis to (name of the dead), and the flood of Nephthys, the swishing of the lake, the primaeval flood of the ocean, life, prosperity, health, happiness, bread, beer, clothing, food, that (name) may live thereof Both nourishment and sweetness are asked for to strengthen the act of remembrance and after

agreed- Tigranocerta Aisne (Axona) Alesia

I am flummoxed ..I have done a fair bit of reading regards roman funeral rites..I have never come across the breast milk in the mouth rite....was that an invention of the director, or is there such a rite?

well heres a preamble to Claudius http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius and I have read Levicks book..she paints him as a bit of a buffoon, a "man of the people", a republican, a petulant child overloaded with fallings of inadequacy ( surprise surprise), a sometime wit and not altogether unintelligent ..Seutonius portrays him much the same way

I have an excellent set of photos of Vespasians arch I took last summer..how do I post the images here..? Image shack or some such hosting site?

What big war are you referring to?......Heraclius ( a passed over genius imho) defeated and bowed the last remnants of the eastern empires enemies ..yes Islam soon came like a whorl wind, but he bequeathed to his successors a cohesive empire with fertile recruiting grounds from which less talented emperors saved the core of the empire, which with help, Leo etc. kept alive and safe , the empire and Christendom.

the great st bernard pass. imho

yes agreed he did what no man before him had done..he ..he invaded the Persian empire which had attempted many times to subjugate the Grecian peninsula