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Lost_Warrior

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A member of a pagan forum I frequent asked us to "rewrite" the Ten Commandments as they would be for our beliefs, if we had "commandments". This, of course, was an opportunity that I could not pass up. I have twelve just to be different :lol:

 

It made me think anyay. My Twelve Commandments:

 

1. Know that there is a Force greater than yourself and it is the Force of all that is. It is the Divine which is everything and without which nothing could exist.

 

2. If you choose to honor the Gods, honor them well. Love them as family and treat them with respect.

 

3. Honor and respect those who are your teachers; look to them for advice and give them honesty.

 

4. Be honest with yourself first, and with others second. Be nothing but honest unless you have just cause to do otherwise.

 

5. Do not fight unless it is necessary, but when it becomes neccessary to fight, do so with courage.

 

6. Honor life. Do not take the life of another living being unless it is absolutely necessary, but if you must, do it quickly and cleanly.

 

7. Stand by your beliefs, and do not allow yourself to be persuaded to stray from them.

 

8. Know that every choice you make has a consequence. Be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions before taking them, and take responsibility for all that you do.

 

9. Respect your fellow man's life, family and property. Do not take that which does not belong to you without just cause.

 

10. Do right by those whom you have wronged, either accidentally or intentionally.

 

11. Love and respect yourself. Do not allow others to disrespect and abuse you.

 

12. When you know what it is that you must do, do it without fear.

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Believe it or not that's not the first time someone had hinted that I would be a good lawyer. I have no desire to persue that course however.

 

I believe in a life without absolutes. I never agreed with "harm none" because while ideally it is a wonderful philosophy, it is unrealistic and impossible to truely impliment.

 

As much as I'd like to be able to say "never hurt a living being and never take a life (human or otherwise)" It is just not possible to live this way. We gotta eat, and we gotta defend ourselves against attack.

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I'm certainly not guilty of murder if that's what you're thinking :P

 

But yes, I have taken the lives of animals who were too badly injured to survive with any semblence of a happy and healthy life, and I have seen it done by others as well. Also, I grew up in a family of hunters, so I am well aware of the proccess of killing and eating your own food.

 

I do hope I never have to take the life of a human being but I am aware of instances (such as self defense) in which I am not directly opposed to the idea.

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It seems that you leave room for error and instances. Which is good because you are realistic.

 

Although, if you were trying to draw any parallels with the bible then you would be way off. :P

 

1, 5, and 7 seem very Islamic in nature though.

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My own nr. 1 will be "know you know nothing"

The rest of them I like. Despite not stating clear moral standrads you live room for them in most commandements. This means you believe that moral it's not general but particular to a specific case? What is the purpose of "commandments" if you use another set of moral values outside them?

It leaves a lot of space for going around them (you can define "just cause" as you like) and this is maybe the reason why GO said your a good lawyer.

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The answer is simple: I don't believe in a set of morals that everyone must follow. My "commandments" are about following your own moral standard, whatever it may be, to the best of your ability.

 

Also, yes, I believe that morals are "particular to a specific case" alot of the time. Some things just aren't plausible all of the time. I'm a realist; I know that something that looks good on paper very rarely works out as planned.

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It seems that you leave room for error and instances. Which is good because you are realistic.

 

I'm a realist; I know that something that looks good on paper very rarely works out as planned.

 

Aren't I a genius! :hammer:

 

NO, I'm just judgemental. :sadwalk:

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My "commandments" are about following your own moral standard.

I believe that morals are "particular to a specific case" alot of the time.

 

Should not the "commandments" include your moral standard? How can you have "particular to a specific case" morals and your own moral standard? "Moral standard" means a general norm that is apllied to specific cases. So, "particular to a specific case" morals don't exist.

 

Hehe sorry if I'm nagging you but I'm reading Dune (actually the sequel Chepterhouse) so I'm under spice influence.

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Because I do not believe that my morals in any way do, or should, apply to everyone. I'm not God, any more than anyone else who may try to impose morals on someone and therefor have no right to do so. What I'm trying to say is about following your own moral standard/code of honor/code of ethics, whatever that may be within whatever religious framework you happen to work.

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I actually have no issue with Satanists unless they happen to be of the baby-murdering cult variety. I've met a few self-proclaimed Satanists who are genuinely nice people.

 

My view on religion is that if your beliefs are not hurting anyone, there is absolutely no reason why you should not believe as you choose. I really don't care what the guy down the street believes, unless he believes something that is somehow harmful to myself or others, and is acting on that belief.

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1. Trust good character more than promises.

2. Do not speak falsely.

3. Do good things.

4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.

5. Learn to obey before you command.

6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.

7. Make reason your supreme commander.

8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.

9. Honor the gods.

10. Have regard for your parents.

 

Solon of Athens

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Awesome!

 

Are those your "ten commandments" or are they quoted from somewhere?

 

As Ursus said: Solon of Athens. :hammer:

 

#2 should be amended to read: ...except when necessary. ;)

 

:ph34r:

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I actually have no issue with Satanists unless they happen to be of the baby-murdering cult variety. I've met a few self-proclaimed Satanists who are genuinely nice people.

 

Interesting that Satanism has been brought up. I rather like the "Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth" (written by Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan):

 

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

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Hey, they're not my commandments, G.O., as I'm not a card-carrying member of the Church of Satan. But I can see merit in a lot of those "Rules", despite the fact that Anton LaVey was undoubtedly a con artist. I'm not aware of his followers ever advocating spousal abuse, however.

 

-- Nephele

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:wub: NC, who said they were yours? ;) Basil Fawlty? ;)

 

:wub: Basil Fawlty is behind everything! Some say he's even behind the following 14 "Rules" for the American people (although the truth is that it's only Internet rumor that John Cleese was the original author of the following):

 

John Cleese's Letter to the USA

 

To the citizens of the United States of America, in light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today.

 

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II resumes monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy.

 

Your new prime minister (The Right Honourable Tony Blair, MP for the 97.8% of you who have, until now, been unaware there's a world outside your borders) will appoint a Minister for America. Congress and the Senate are disbanded. A questionnaire circulated next year will determine whether any of you noticed.

 

To aid your transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

 

1. Look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary. Check "aluminium" in the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you pronounce it. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour'. Likewise you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary."

 

Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed." There will be no more 'bleeps' in the Jerry Springer show. If you're not old enough to cope with bad language then you should not have chat shows.

 

2. There is no such thing as "U.S. English." We'll let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u'.

 

3. You should learn to distinguish English and Australian accents. It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to cockney, upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier). Scottish dramas such as 'Taggart' will no longer be broadcast with subtitles.You must learn that there is no such place as Devonshire in England. The name of the county is "Devon." If you persist in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become "shires" e.g. Texasshire Floridashire, Louisianashire.

 

4. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1.

 

5. You should stop playing American "football." There's only one kind of football. What you call American "football" is not a very good game. The 2.1% of you aware there is a world outside your borders may have noticed no one else plays "American" football. You should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls.

 

Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies).

 

You should stop playing baseball. It's not reasonable to host an event called the 'World Series' for a game which is not played outside of America. Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called "rounders," which is baseball without fancy team stripe, oversized gloves, collector cards or hotdogs.

 

6. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry guns, or anything more dangerous in public than a vegetable peeler. Because you are not sensible enough to handle potentially dangerous items, you need a permit to carry a vegetable peeler.

 

7. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 2nd will be a new national holiday. It will be called "Indecisive Day."

 

8. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean. All road intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left. At the same time, you will go metric without the benefit of conversion tables. Roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

 

9. Learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips. Fries aren't French, they're Belgian though 97.8% of you (including the guy who discovered fries while in Europe) are not aware of a country called Belgium. Potato chips are properly called "crisps." Real chips are thick cut and fried in animal fat. The traditional accompaniment to chips is beer which should be served warm and flat.

 

10. The cold tasteless stuff you call beer is actually lager. Only proper British Bitter will be referred to as "beer." Substances once known as "American Beer" will henceforth be referred to as "Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine," except for the product of the American Budweiser company which will be called "Weak Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine." This will allow true Budweiser (as manufactured for the last 1000 years in Pilsen, Czech Republic) to be sold without risk of confusion.

 

11. The UK will harmonise petrol prices (or "Gasoline," as you will be permitted to keep calling it) for those of the former USA, adopting UK petrol prices (roughly $6/US gallon, get used to it).

 

12. Learn to resolve personal issues without guns, lawyers or therapists. That you need many lawyers and therapists shows you're not adult enough to be independent. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.

 

13. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.

 

14. Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).

 

Thank you for your co-operation.

 

* John Cleese

[basil Fawlty, Fawlty Towers, Torquay, Devon, England]

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